Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-07-2012, 11:10 AM
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du-pli-ca-ted
04-07-2012, 11:11 AM
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With longevity or banded pay you wouldn't have to GAS.
04-07-2012, 11:14 AM
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Of course DALPA has no say in the matter. If the company chose tomorrow to merge the airlines then DALPA would have to start the seniority list integration process. Its a management decision to merge or not merge airlines. DALPA can do nothing more then suggest at best.
Of course the fact we've preempted management with votes to deny and "reorganize outside" as well as failed to file Single Carrier Petitions has nothing to do with it.
In the history of lame excuses for not doing what it does not want to do, the concept that "management does not want to" is the weakest sniveling whiny reason ALPA could ever utilize; sacrificing unity while claiming impotence.
Lets just cancel Contract 2012. Management does not want to pay us more. Lets do a grievance settlement to provide the scope relief they need and go home. With this defeatist attitude the only difference is the expense accounts and trip drops.
From the Nicean Council, LEC alpha to omega
ALPA's holy crap, we don't want to merge with a small jet carrier Trinity
- Father, Creator of the Universe = Regional Pilots Not Qualified
- Son, defers to the Father, perfect Sacrifice = Regional Pilots should know their place, staple
- Holy Spirit, force of God, makes things happen = Management's decision
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04-07-2012, 11:15 AM
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nyah nyah..
Oh, and bite me Jack.
04-07-2012, 11:28 AM
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Nothing was taken out of context. You asked for opinions to gauge a response to a proposal that in your opinion improved scope by allowing larger jets to be outsourced in exchange for fewer in number. Pilots piled on with opinions that your proposal was not something that they would find acceptable. When your trial balloon came back all shot full of holes, the logical extrapolation was that our MEC should get the same result from their trial balloon and crap can the "re-balancing" version of a scope sale concept.
Don't know how you determine standard deviation from comments on this board (which were unanimous against your concept). Perhaps you are privy to the survey data which shows pay as by far the leading interest of Delta pilots. If so, consider that the survey did not consider whether a scope concession was an immediate existential threat to ALPA as the bargaining agent for Delta pilots going forward.
I support ALPA, but more so, I support my fellow pilots (even you). Unity does not allow more outsourcing, even if fewer 70 seaters (ahem ... unwanted 50 seaters) balance the deal. Management can get them, but a Delta Pilot must fly them.
Why not negotiate a lower DAL 70 seater rate that puts us in the game and give the widebody guys more money? That's more of a win / win than more out sourcing and really, the productivity of the larger jets justify more of a pay differential than we have now.
Don't know how you determine standard deviation from comments on this board (which were unanimous against your concept). Perhaps you are privy to the survey data which shows pay as by far the leading interest of Delta pilots. If so, consider that the survey did not consider whether a scope concession was an immediate existential threat to ALPA as the bargaining agent for Delta pilots going forward.
I support ALPA, but more so, I support my fellow pilots (even you). Unity does not allow more outsourcing, even if fewer 70 seaters (ahem ... unwanted 50 seaters) balance the deal. Management can get them, but a Delta Pilot must fly them.
Why not negotiate a lower DAL 70 seater rate that puts us in the game and give the widebody guys more money? That's more of a win / win than more out sourcing and really, the productivity of the larger jets justify more of a pay differential than we have now.
04-07-2012, 11:31 AM
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04-07-2012, 11:34 AM
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04-07-2012, 11:36 AM
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04-07-2012, 11:44 AM
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04-07-2012, 11:50 AM
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