Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-06-2012, 06:22 PM
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OK, I'm going to play 'Devil's Advocate' here for just a moment, and throw out a scenario, see what you (all of you) think:
What IF...
RA comes to our Negotiating team and says something like this, "Ok, well, we had to buy Pinacle, and we need more 76 seat feed...bla, bla, bla..."
And our NT says, "OK, but they WILL BE FLOWN by DELTA PILOTS!!"
And RA says, "OK, fine, let's put all the Pinacle pilots on the Delta Seniority list, straight date of hire, and on the Delta Pilot Contract."
Or words to that effect.
Now What?
What should our NT say to that? Yes? No? Staple or...?
Discuss.
What IF...
RA comes to our Negotiating team and says something like this, "Ok, well, we had to buy Pinacle, and we need more 76 seat feed...bla, bla, bla..."
And our NT says, "OK, but they WILL BE FLOWN by DELTA PILOTS!!"
And RA says, "OK, fine, let's put all the Pinacle pilots on the Delta Seniority list, straight date of hire, and on the Delta Pilot Contract."
Or words to that effect.
Now What?
What should our NT say to that? Yes? No? Staple or...?
Discuss.
Next!
Carl
04-06-2012, 06:22 PM
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I thought that's what would happen (stapled) back when DAL bought Com Air and ASA, but when our MEC met with theirs, to discuss a common seniority list, single carrier status, etc. all they (CA, ASA) would talk about was DOH.
Believe me, I am all for taking back ALL of our flying, but now that National represents both groups, I'm just trying to figure out how it's going to happen, and NOT result in a DFR lawsuit, or arbitration, or something other than a staple.
Believe me, I am all for taking back ALL of our flying, but now that National represents both groups, I'm just trying to figure out how it's going to happen, and NOT result in a DFR lawsuit, or arbitration, or something other than a staple.
04-06-2012, 06:26 PM
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Oh, and the DC-9 has gone senior to the MD-88.
04-06-2012, 06:27 PM
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04-06-2012, 06:34 PM
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04-06-2012, 06:35 PM
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Careful with those debit cards
Today my bank informed me my card had been "compromised" with fraudulent charges in last two weeks. The charges were to "TWA corp" in NYC, I haven't been there in a month or so but seems to be linked to airport coffee/food concessions purchases.....
At least the criminals have a sense of humor
At least the criminals have a sense of humor
04-06-2012, 06:41 PM
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OK, but how do we 'recover' all the RJ flying, and 'staple' them, legally, without risking an arbitrated list, that might put a whole bunch of -them- in front of -you-?
I think with Richard now making DL the DIP financeir for Pinacle, there is an opportunity, but then I thought the same thing with Com Air and ASA and Compass...none of it worked out, for recovering our outsourced flying.
For obvious reasons, Richard doesn't WANT them all on our list, and on our contract, so I doubt he'd offer it up to our team anyway, but if he wants this done quickly...well, how bad do you want it Richard?
Put up or shut up Richard.
I think with Richard now making DL the DIP financeir for Pinacle, there is an opportunity, but then I thought the same thing with Com Air and ASA and Compass...none of it worked out, for recovering our outsourced flying.
For obvious reasons, Richard doesn't WANT them all on our list, and on our contract, so I doubt he'd offer it up to our team anyway, but if he wants this done quickly...well, how bad do you want it Richard?
Put up or shut up Richard.
04-06-2012, 06:46 PM
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I agree that it needs tightening. It is going to depend on the price as to whether "reversing" it is palatable or not. As a matter of fact, in some of mine I have probably illustrated more of the shortcomings of some of the language than many care to recognize.. And never in any of my posts have I said otherwise. I just said that it is in fact negotiable, and that "not quack quack quack " is NOT a strategy.
04-06-2012, 06:50 PM
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Carl
04-06-2012, 06:53 PM
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Hey, there's an idea!
Now all we have to do is get Garry Kelly to talk to them!
We're going to need more kittens...
But seriously, I doubt they would accept a staple if it were a 'merger' and who knows what an arbitrator would do with a 15yr. RJ Capt., but I doubt he'd be stapled to the bottom.
Now all we have to do is get Garry Kelly to talk to them!
We're going to need more kittens...
But seriously, I doubt they would accept a staple if it were a 'merger' and who knows what an arbitrator would do with a 15yr. RJ Capt., but I doubt he'd be stapled to the bottom.
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