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Old 04-03-2012, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Cycle Pilot
Has anybody ever seen this? I've got my brother on a buddy pass from SFO to NRT tomorrow. The flight's looking open, but the business class seats have some odd numbers. Here it is...



It shows 26 available, but only authorized to 4. What's up with that? Could it be weight restricted? I've never seen this before on a flight. The authorized seats are usually higher than the available. Any ideas?
Saw that a couple of months ago. A boatload of flight attendants deadheading. They don't automatically get business for international, but they will ace out your brother for the front.
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Old 04-03-2012, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Yep, trucks being thrown about. Tornado just missed my grandmothers house. Place is crazy right now.
Yep-South Dallas is a disaster area. Good luck.
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Old 04-03-2012, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Word is there is a huge push for a complete TA to present to the MEC in May.

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What's the rush?

Delta's Late March Surge Counters Airline Gloom - WSJ.com
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Old 04-03-2012, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Sobchak
Saw that a couple of months ago. A boatload of flight attendants deadheading. They don't automatically get business for international, but they will ace out your brother for the front.
Odd.... So they block the business elite seats out ahead of time for deadheaders? Never seen that before. I checked the Airport Standby List and there's only one PSUP so far. At least he'll get a seat. He's a seasoned buddy pass user, so he's ready for anything! Thanks!
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Old 04-03-2012, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Openers are NOT conceptual. They are detailed.
If you say so Carl. Even though it was communicated by D-ALPA that both this opener, and the opener they used for the C2K contract were "broadbased and conceptual" in nature. Here is the exact wording from the "Negotiator's Notepad", dated March 13th, 2012.

"Like most openers (including the Delta pilots’ opener for C2K), it is broadbased and conceptual in nature."


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
The only people that got the conceptual opener was us members.
Yes, and your point? In my example I illustrated the anger of my friend and his opinion of the "weak opener". He had failed to read the fact that D-ALPA stated it was "broadbased and conceptual in nature." What am I missing? Or what are you not understanding about him "not reading the Negotiator's Notepad" before going off about how weak of an opener it was?


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
The word "conceptual" was never once mentioned by DALPA until right before it was released to us.
That's awesome Carl!! Your words, not mine. THEY NEVER ONCE TOLD US............UNTIL THEY TOLD US! Do you read what drivel you write?


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That is because they needed a way out of the firestorm of criticism they were taking for saying they would not be releasing the opener at all. In their minds, they compromised and released this phony opener to the members.
Bacon Bits, is that you? Yes Carl, of course they were conspiring to tell you there wouldn't be an opener, all the while planning on releasing a "phony" opener to the members. Just for the record, the communication from D-ALPA of not seeing the opener, came from the C20 Chairman, not the MEC. Did you ever see comm's from the MEC that the opener wouldn't be released? (Don't think so.)

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Again, your friend could not have know it was a conceptual opener, because that word was never used until right before it was released.
Riiiiiiight!! (Again, your words in translation.) THEY NEVER TOLD US IT'D BE A CONCEPTUAL, BROADBASED OPENER, UNTIL THEY TOLD US!!

DANG THEM D-ALPA VOLUNTEERS!! DANG THEM TO HECK FOR NOT GIVING US A "CARL SPACKLER MINIMUM ONE-WEEK NOTICE" PRIOR TO COMMUNICATING THE COMMUNICATION WITH US!!


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
You made this story up Mr. Jerk.
Quite confident I didn't, but feel free to PM me and I'll give you my personal email address and phone number. I'm also quite confident you're not man enough, just like 1S1Engine wasn't man enough to talk in person about a WN/FL debate, but you keep talking your "big game" behind a keyboard there Carl, and I'll actually maintain my integrity by standing behind facts.
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Old 04-03-2012, 03:01 PM
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They are saying 100 jets were damaged in DFW today. Crazy.
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Old 04-03-2012, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
They are saying 100 jets were damaged in DFW today. Crazy.
Man, sucks to be AMR these days. When it rains, it pours....literally.
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Old 04-03-2012, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by padre2992
and I don't have to kill myself flying that type of SWA schedule out of SLC for the next 10 years, I'll vote yes (on the pay part). Scope needs to be evaluated independently.

That's what I want.
Well unfortunately we currently outsource most of the "SWA schedules" out of SLC and every other hub. I'd like to get a lot of that back and I'd be happy to fly it, all day, every day, if it brings more Delta pilot jobs back to Delta Air Lines.

And scope is absolute. It is what every other thing in the contract is based on. It isn't independant; everything else is dependant on it.
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Old 04-03-2012, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Man, sucks to be AMR these days. When it rains, it pours....literally.
Well they may be able to take the insurance payout and park em.
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Old 04-03-2012, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by padre2992
It isn't. The APA game plan was a strategy that did not work for them, and it won't work for us.

Working in a cubicle or not, doesn't change the reality of an ineffective strategy.
APA's problem is that they are linked to AMR, which has massive economic problems that pilot contracts can't fix either way. If they settled for the moustache special 5/5/5/5/5 deal, they would have just entered BK sooner because no matter what they did they were going there anyway through no fault of the APA.

I do agree though that we should not stomp our feet demanding restoration or a Caddilac per month or any other emotional based tactic in front of the NMB because regardless of the percentages or dollars involved, it just comes across as unreasonable. Besides there's no need to go that route when there's profitable LCC parity sitting half a concourse away in our biggest hub all while we make more revenue per pilot than they do.

And parity means scope as well as average W-2's and days off for small narrowbody pilots. That evil, company loving NMB everyone likes to point to sure does have an affinity for profitable airline parity.
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