Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-06-2009, 05:18 AM
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Nope. The CRJ has a knack of collecting lots of bugs on the windscreen. You cannot open a DV window on it as there are none. Delays for that are quite common. As for flying slow. The RJ 50 is lucky to see .74M in cruise in the summer. Get an ISA Dev of 15 deg+ and they are lucky to see the mid 20's and 73 Mach. It is just a slow jet. Add to that they are flying slow per their flight plans to save as much money as possible.
07-06-2009, 05:48 AM
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But I'd bet laying off a third of the people doesn't motivate anyone to excel, either.
07-06-2009, 06:21 AM
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I am sure and the Mesa ruling will just add to it.
07-06-2009, 06:23 AM
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I know sombody out there has the scoop with the "displacement bid" that is the buzz. ACL, got anything for the unwashed masses on what it is going to look like or even when we are going to see it? Dates and stuff. anyone with good info please feel free to jump in here.
07-06-2009, 09:04 AM
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Nope. The CRJ has a knack of collecting lots of bugs on the windscreen. You cannot open a DV window on it as there are none. Delays for that are quite common. As for flying slow. The RJ 50 is lucky to see .74M in cruise in the summer. Get an ISA Dev of 15 deg+ and they are lucky to see the mid 20's and 73 Mach. It is just a slow jet. Add to that they are flying slow per their flight plans to save as much money as possible.
Mach .50 is a lot slower than .74M. The pilots requested the speed. ATC made the comment. Then my CA chimed in on the subject and they ComAir guys said, "yes, we're flying slow now."
I've heard it is an informal protest to the new Delta Pass Travel rules.
07-06-2009, 09:21 AM
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2-3 calls and no action is pretty common...then what do you know...it's departure time and they don't have time to do it. F that...I wouldn't push till they did it either.
I'm not saying you might not be on to something, but give these guys a break. They are some of the most professional pilots out there.
07-06-2009, 09:36 AM
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As far as the windshield goes, it could very well be that they called multiple times and mx or the ground crew hadn't come out to address it yet. The only way they will get the company to do simple things like this is if they take delays. Ticking the world off 50 people at a time.
07-06-2009, 01:39 PM
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Had several CMR jumpseaters that said that CMR is flight planning them at .64. Not sure if DAL knows that or not. But it has been going on since last summer. More guys may be flying that because of the non rev travel changes but I'm not sure. I just remember the guys telling me that and saying it was to ensure fuel savings. In the same thought, I thought of the 757/767 in slow flight burning much more gas and thinking we are truly spending dollars, lots of them, to save pennies if that is the case.
As far as the windshield goes, it could very well be that they called multiple times and mx or the ground crew hadn't come out to address it yet. The only way they will get the company to do simple things like this is if they take delays. Ticking the world off 50 people at a time.
As far as the windshield goes, it could very well be that they called multiple times and mx or the ground crew hadn't come out to address it yet. The only way they will get the company to do simple things like this is if they take delays. Ticking the world off 50 people at a time.
As far as the windshield goes at some outstations (BOS included if I remember) only MX is able to clean it. Sounds stupid but thats how it goes.
07-06-2009, 02:12 PM
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Its true they plan us at those speeds all the time. .60-.68 is a very normal speed for us. If we are low .50 is not unheard of. They use a plan called PPAS that was developed by an outside company. The fuel savings are pretty good but I often wonder about the added hours on the aircraft.
As far as the windshield goes at some outstations (BOS included if I remember) only MX is able to clean it. Sounds stupid but thats how it goes.
As far as the windshield goes at some outstations (BOS included if I remember) only MX is able to clean it. Sounds stupid but thats how it goes.
Thats why we have the cost index system at DAL... apparently ASA has done the same. Cost index is a ratio for the cost of fuel compared to the cost of time. It just feeds you a cost index number and your mach automatically updates for any altitude, weight, and winds uploaded into the FMC.
Pretty snazzy... I used to use LRC frequently in the CRJ which was typically .68 mach with a 250 knot transition. I'd save a pile of gas and only end up running about 3-5 minutes slower than the normal .74/290 profile.
07-06-2009, 03:47 PM
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Thats why we have the cost index system at DAL... apparently ASA has done the same. Cost index is a ratio for the cost of fuel compared to the cost of time. It just feeds you a cost index number and your mach automatically updates for any altitude, weight, and winds uploaded into the FMC.
Pretty snazzy... I used to use LRC frequently in the CRJ which was typically .68 mach with a 250 knot transition. I'd save a pile of gas and only end up running about 3-5 minutes slower than the normal .74/290 profile.
Pretty snazzy... I used to use LRC frequently in the CRJ which was typically .68 mach with a 250 knot transition. I'd save a pile of gas and only end up running about 3-5 minutes slower than the normal .74/290 profile.
PPAS does about the same thing as cost indexing. I believe it takes into account crew costs, fuel, mx, and other such factors...
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