Originally Posted by buzzpat

I don't think DPA will get a big push until after the contract.....if its successful, they'll go away; if its not, they'll have more then enough cards to supplant ALPA (IMHO). Guys are really keen to this contract resolution, at least the ones I fly with. If it goes south, katy bar the door.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

DAL it's obvious that $4 difference in Captain pay makes CRJ-900s here a nonstarter.

Originally Posted by Doug Masters

Carl reminds me of Simon Cowell. We all render our opinion and then a hush falls over the crowd as we wait for him to speak.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Yes there is [another thread for the ALPA/DPA discussion] so why do you keep bringing it up? What part of my post above mentions DPA or even infers anything about an alternative union?

Originally Posted by Sink r8

I'm not bringing up the issue. I'm tired of getting spammed with it. How about this, mods: youy take the last page and a half, back to Bacon's latest attempt, and you move it all to the aforementioned thread, where it belongs?

Originally Posted by Sink r8

I'm not bringing up the issue. I'm tired of getting spammed with it. How about this, mods: youy take the last page and a half, back to Bacon's latest attempt, and you move it all to the aforementioned thread, where it belongs?

Originally Posted by Sink r8

I'm not bringing up the issue. I'm tired of getting spammed with it. How about this, mods: youy take the last page and a half, back to Bacon's latest attempt, and you move it all to the aforementioned thread, where it belongs?

Originally Posted by DAL73n

Not to bring facts into the equation (why confuse everyone) BUT I decided to look and see if there was that big a disparity in pay rates such that it would be uneconomical to fly those A/C at DAL:

I am going to assume that most CA will be 12 year pay (yeah, there may be some younger guys but let's look at the worst case) and let's say F/O's fall at 6 year pay (for DAL used the 2012 PWA rates and for our competitors the recent APC pilot pay survey):

....................................DAL/.........JetBlue/.......Skywest/.......Comair/

CA (E190/CRJ900)/.........116/.........139/............112/................99/

F/O(E190/CRJ900)/..........73/...........82/.............44/.................68/

Sorry about the formatting (couldn't get tabs or spaces to work).
Now, while I can't vouch for additional cost of FAs (although this would probably go junior/very young new FAs) since I don't have their pay scales it is certainly hard to argue that it is pilot cost making it uneconomical to fly those A/C at mainline. Is Jet Blue that much more efficient than us that they can afford to pay their pilots more than us (similar to SWA 737s)? I think it's time to show mother DAL it is time to start flying Delta pax on Delta A/C with Delta pilots to protect the brand. Anyone who cares to please shoot holes in this as you please.

Originally Posted by CVG767A

If you're tired of the incessant DPA drumbeat, try the ignore function. I resisted doing that for a while, but I'm enjoying this thread much more now. It's not even that I disagreed with the posters, it's just that I got tired of hearing the same things over and over.