Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-30-2012, 04:50 PM
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See, this is a classic example of our expectations being managed! Only one beaver? Really?? You need a turbine twatter with multiple beavers riding the twatter. Duh! You can fit 14 beavers in a twatter on floats.
Btw, my summer job used to be a beaver cleaner......yup!
Last edited by hoserpilot; 03-30-2012 at 04:54 PM. Reason: For our military mods a twatter is a twin otter.
03-30-2012, 04:58 PM
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There used to be a lot of Delta pilots with Bonanzas and Barons. Other than the retired folks, I only know one current Delta pilot (other than myself) who remains current in general aviation aircraft.
Had a group going to Sun and Fun, but our reason for going (an incidental business trip) fell through.
FTB: Are you a Mooney nut, or did you just like the great paint scheme on that one? I used to fly a M20C as a Company Car and loved it. Great airplane.
Had a group going to Sun and Fun, but our reason for going (an incidental business trip) fell through.
FTB: Are you a Mooney nut, or did you just like the great paint scheme on that one? I used to fly a M20C as a Company Car and loved it. Great airplane.
03-30-2012, 05:20 PM
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03-30-2012, 05:23 PM
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Is all of Section 1 part of your math when considering the gain or loss in scope?
Currently DAL has unlimited off-list:
50 and below jets
70 and below turboprops
JV flying (except with Skyteam transatlantic)
Alaska Codeshare and other international codeshare
AND 255 off-list 51-76 jets.
Would would you agree or disagree that it would be a gain or loss in scope if:
Capped and PERMANENTLY reduced (over a set timeframe) all 50 seat jets and no renewal permitted off-list
0 off-list future turborprop flying
ALL JV flying required to be 50% DAL pilot EASK's/block hours/whatever metric), lookback average returned to 1 year instead of 3, with monthly financial penalties paid to the Delta Pilots when out of compliance.
ALL codehares have time limits or cutoff points if the codeshare is a revenue deal
Alaska codeshare is limited/reduced over time/ sunsetted completely.
DAL can operate 1 more 51-76 seat RJ's off-list for every 2.5 50 seat jets that are removed from service, up to a limit of X airframes (say 50-100)?
Is it a gain or loss....
***DISCLAIMER***The above is NOT anyone's scope proposal(mine, company, or union), just a hypothetical question.
Gotta go, I'll be interested to see what guys think later.
Currently DAL has unlimited off-list:
50 and below jets
70 and below turboprops
JV flying (except with Skyteam transatlantic)
Alaska Codeshare and other international codeshare
AND 255 off-list 51-76 jets.
Would would you agree or disagree that it would be a gain or loss in scope if:
Capped and PERMANENTLY reduced (over a set timeframe) all 50 seat jets and no renewal permitted off-list
0 off-list future turborprop flying
ALL JV flying required to be 50% DAL pilot EASK's/block hours/whatever metric), lookback average returned to 1 year instead of 3, with monthly financial penalties paid to the Delta Pilots when out of compliance.
ALL codehares have time limits or cutoff points if the codeshare is a revenue deal
Alaska codeshare is limited/reduced over time/ sunsetted completely.
DAL can operate 1 more 51-76 seat RJ's off-list for every 2.5 50 seat jets that are removed from service, up to a limit of X airframes (say 50-100)?
Is it a gain or loss....
***DISCLAIMER***The above is NOT anyone's scope proposal(mine, company, or union), just a hypothetical question.
Gotta go, I'll be interested to see what guys think later.
03-30-2012, 05:29 PM
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15 will not do it.. Scope will need to be tight too, not just some improvements with concessions elsewhere in section 1
Also we are going for a average daily credit, not a min day. That is what the opener said. Makes those 10:30 hr three days, 15:45, but it still allows flexability, as long as every calander day averages out to 5:15.
Also we are going for a average daily credit, not a min day. That is what the opener said. Makes those 10:30 hr three days, 15:45, but it still allows flexability, as long as every calander day averages out to 5:15.
03-30-2012, 05:43 PM
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Did NO one listen or care what we said it did for rotation construction for domestic guys.Doesn't effect me, but geeze............oh well, who cares about work rules, you guys just keep thumping your chests on the min percent you'll find acceptable.
"thanks for your inputs, we've got this"
03-30-2012, 06:00 PM
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15 will not do it.. Scope will need to be tight too, not just some improvements with concessions elsewhere in section 1
Also we are going for a average daily credit, not a min day. That is what the opener said. Makes those 10:30 hr three days, 15:45, but it still allows flexability, as long as every calander day averages out to 5:15.
Also we are going for a average daily credit, not a min day. That is what the opener said. Makes those 10:30 hr three days, 15:45, but it still allows flexability, as long as every calander day averages out to 5:15.
03-30-2012, 06:09 PM
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There used to be a lot of Delta pilots with Bonanzas and Barons. Other than the retired folks, I only know one current Delta pilot (other than myself) who remains current in general aviation aircraft.
Had a group going to Sun and Fun, but our reason for going (an incidental business trip) fell through.
FTB: Are you a Mooney nut, or did you just like the great paint scheme on that one? I used to fly a M20C as a Company Car and loved it. Great airplane.
Had a group going to Sun and Fun, but our reason for going (an incidental business trip) fell through.
FTB: Are you a Mooney nut, or did you just like the great paint scheme on that one? I used to fly a M20C as a Company Car and loved it. Great airplane.
I do like mooneys and their look so I chose that pic on purpose but i have better theyre just massive.
As to M20s and especially R models, I didn't know they were so roomy until i read it recently. They look small from the outside but I've read rave reviews on the cockpit and long body cabins. Couple speed and efficiency with tks Fiki, spoilers, good looks, etc. wow! Payload seems strong too for a four seater. I'm used to four seaters being two seaters, six being four, etc. the mooney's seem to be solid 4 seaters.
Sadly, i never have been within 10' of one.
But if ever I win the mega tonight I may resurrect mooney.
I never have been in a cirrus either but if ever they make it a taildragger and not have the gangly gear look I might be interested.
Seriously though, I bet my wife would require an A36 Bonanza, the idea of boarding over the wing would be a no go. Or if I really have the money, a Twin Bo!
03-30-2012, 06:11 PM
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What!?!? This was in the opener? Guess I missed it. Dumber than freeking dirt Did NO one listen or care what we said it did for rotation construction for domestic guys.
Doesn't effect me, but geeze............oh well, who cares about work rules, you guys just keep thumping your chests on the min percent you'll find acceptable.
"thanks for your inputs, we've got this"
Did NO one listen or care what we said it did for rotation construction for domestic guys.Doesn't effect me, but geeze............oh well, who cares about work rules, you guys just keep thumping your chests on the min percent you'll find acceptable.
"thanks for your inputs, we've got this"
Then again, I heard recently someone say that we might see a TA soon with 12-5-5-5 pay increase. That is just insulting if that comes out as the TA. We'll see, and I'm not going to get my blood pressure up until there's something in stone.
Industry leading is what they are saying as their slogan, and I'm good with that if that is what comes back.
03-30-2012, 06:15 PM
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If nobody wins tonight, they say lotto may exceed $1B by Tuesday, I'd love to see those billboard signs handle that!
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