Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-30-2012, 02:28 PM
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No I do not think that 5,5,5,5 will pass, not even close. I do not think that a 20% raise will pass either unless the total contract easly exceeds the industry, and by that I mean LUV pay on the M88/73N and WB pay on our current percentage basis above that. Scope is a must no matter what the pay is, but many will not trade pay for scope or scope for pay. It is a package deal. We want a career flying DAL's fying, not a job.
15,5,5,5 will pass if - 5:15/calendar day minimum, 5:15/day for training, 5:15/day for vacation and vacation is pay and credit, increase DC plan 1%/year for every year of contract, 1 minute of pay for every minute running time of distributed training and tighten scope (don't have specifics for this - it must be better). All of the work rule improvements will increase pay (or decrease days of work so if you need more pay you can WS). Just my quick thoughts.
03-30-2012, 02:33 PM
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Shiznit,
I'd say that item scuttles the Scope deal, which scuttles a T/A, if the current language remains concerning the 3:1 additive beyond 767 mainline aircraft. The others don't strike me as outlandish.
IF the language was reversed, i.e. 1:3 beyond actual airplanes IN SERVICE, AND it was a rolling max, i.e. no reducing mainline without reducing RJ's, AND the other sections on large-gauge scope were adressed (including a reduction/improvement in the Alaska language), THEN it might be worth considering.
03-30-2012, 02:44 PM
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Its a huge loss because we are paying for something that is going to happen anyway. We are just making it easier on the company to do what they want to do a little bit sooner. In exchange we permanently sell more DC-9-10 replacement jet jobs to the lowest of the low, cut throat, ace dealer bidder. That will permanently increase the downward pressures on our careers especially at the small narrowbody level. So if the 717's are really a part of this deal, we are being played like a fiddle if this ends up happening.
While we're at it, how about if we get rid of the hats we will accept a 75% raise. Or penthouse hotel suites only if we are willing to change short call from 2 hours to 24 hours?
Us proposing something as asinine as that would be similar to the company trying to bribe us into getting rid of 50 seaters that they can't get rid of fast enough so they can outsource more of our jobs AND provide more pressure to our existing jobs.
That said, I don't think they would offer any significant AS/JV reform just to get out of 50 seater leases that they will be out of eventually anyway.
Now if they want to get serious, and wanted something like what you suggested, they would have no reason not to include a sunset on ALL 51-76 seat jets once they got the *temporary* relief they needed to pay off the 50 seater loan sharks. But they won't be interested in that. They will want permanent 51-76 increases in exchange for something else they also want. Foxtrot that noise.
While we're at it, how about if we get rid of the hats we will accept a 75% raise. Or penthouse hotel suites only if we are willing to change short call from 2 hours to 24 hours?
Us proposing something as asinine as that would be similar to the company trying to bribe us into getting rid of 50 seaters that they can't get rid of fast enough so they can outsource more of our jobs AND provide more pressure to our existing jobs.
That said, I don't think they would offer any significant AS/JV reform just to get out of 50 seater leases that they will be out of eventually anyway.
Now if they want to get serious, and wanted something like what you suggested, they would have no reason not to include a sunset on ALL 51-76 seat jets once they got the *temporary* relief they needed to pay off the 50 seater loan sharks. But they won't be interested in that. They will want permanent 51-76 increases in exchange for something else they also want. Foxtrot that noise.
The 717s are coming at them and they can't resist the deal and you know they'll take it but they are probably not happy about it in terms if mainline pilot growth into a place they don't want us. Shows you how good this deal must be.
Hope that's not true but this is an open marriage and the free condo in Destin is going to be "ours" and not for the young thin floozie thatll do anything you want plus she tattoed her name twice on her back. She's more fun at the beach now than we are.
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03-30-2012, 03:02 PM
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15,5,5,5 will pass if - 5:15/calendar day minimum, 5:15/day for training, 5:15/day for vacation and vacation is pay and credit, increase DC plan 1%/year for every year of contract, 1 minute of pay for every minute running time of distributed training and tighten scope (don't have specifics for this - it must be better). All of the work rule improvements will increase pay (or decrease days of work so if you need more pay you can WS). Just my quick thoughts.
That might pass just barely.
03-30-2012, 03:20 PM
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15,5,5,5 will pass if - 5:15/calendar day minimum, 5:15/day for training, 5:15/day for vacation and vacation is pay and credit, increase DC plan 1%/year for every year of contract, 1 minute of pay for every minute running time of distributed training and tighten scope (don't have specifics for this - it must be better). All of the work rule improvements will increase pay (or decrease days of work so if you need more pay you can WS). Just my quick thoughts.
Also we are going for a average daily credit, not a min day. That is what the opener said. Makes those 10:30 hr three days, 15:45, but it still allows flexability, as long as every calander day averages out to 5:15.
03-30-2012, 03:20 PM
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03-30-2012, 03:22 PM
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15,5,5,5 will pass if - 5:15/calendar day minimum, 5:15/day for training, 5:15/day for vacation and vacation is pay and credit, increase DC plan 1%/year for every year of contract, 1 minute of pay for every minute running time of distributed training and tighten scope (don't have specifics for this - it must be better). All of the work rule improvements will increase pay (or decrease days of work so if you need more pay you can WS). Just my quick thoughts.
03-30-2012, 03:27 PM
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03-30-2012, 03:55 PM
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03-30-2012, 04:40 PM
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