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Old 03-22-2012, 05:11 PM
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History at DAL is to have retro, not a percentage et al. The quicker it takes to get a deal, the less money that DAL needs to stockpile for the back pay.
Just my IMHO..... but I like a longevity/seat based model for retro.... It benefits all pilots equally (in proportion) and does not reward the "extra-time-flying-company-friendly helpers" that pick up lots of extra during the amendable period to get a higher retro check....
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:37 PM
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On the last AE I got an MD to a different base but I stay on my aircraft. I do not plan on moving my primary residence and will only be setting up a crashpad somewhere. Do I get any moving days to at least drive a crashpad car to my new base. The only relocation benefits seem to only deal with scenarios where you plan to change your primary residence. If anyone knows could you please post and also post the page in the PWA that addresses moving days without a change in primary residence. I spent an hour in the PWA tonight and couldn't find squat
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
History at DAL is to have retro, not a percentage et al. The quicker it takes to get a deal, the less money that DAL needs to stockpile for the back pay.
That was a long c54 post....so did I read so fast I skimmed over the scope part?
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Old 03-22-2012, 06:05 PM
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On the last AE I got an MD to a different base but I stay on my aircraft. I do not plan on moving my primary residence and will only be setting up a crashpad somewhere. Do I get any moving days to at least drive a crashpad car to my new base. The only relocation benefits seem to only deal with scenarios where you plan to change your primary residence. If anyone knows could you please post and also post the page in the PWA that addresses moving days without a change in primary residence. I spent an hour in the PWA tonight and couldn't find squat
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you do not get anything if you aren't moving. Try a PD or trading days off.
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Old 03-22-2012, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
That was a long c54 post....so did I read so fast I skimmed over the scope part?
Not a peep on scope.
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Old 03-22-2012, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you do not get anything if you aren't moving. Try a PD or trading days off.
Well I am moving. I'm just not relocating my primary residence. Nonetheless, I'm not holding my breath for any assistance with my relocation to my new crashpad.
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Old 03-22-2012, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Gloopy, imo, and to be a little clearer,; The bandwidth gets a lot tighter on the company's side, not ours. No red herring there. If they want to move on anything, it behooves them to have us locked in. Whether that is AMR, airlines in Oneworld, or something else, the closer that AMR gets to restructuring, the tighter the timeline gets for the company. The of course could decide to go ahead without pilot support, but, as we have seen that is a huge risk for what, thus far has been a very successful integration and post CH11 airline.
Got ya. Regardless of the level of cuts at AA and their long term viability, there is going to be more consolidation and that consolidation is going to help the industry...at least for a while (likely a few more years) before the lines of legacy "capacity dicipline" and massive LCC fantasy order books cross. At that point there will be winners and there will be losers, and there will be airlines flying today that won't be flying just a few years from now, with or without more mergers.

We have a chance to be a very well run survivor but for that to happen, our corporate leadership has to put down the "playbook" and run an airline to win, long term, which is arguably almost a lost art among their class and craft. We'll see.

In either case I agree that we have some leverage for the next round of consolidation, which will occur regardless of what happens at AMR (although I think they will merge with all or parts of US and/or B6 and maybe AS but that's just my guess).
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Old 03-22-2012, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Just my IMHO..... but I like a longevity/seat based model for retro.... It benefits all pilots equally (in proportion) and does not reward the "extra-time-flying-company-friendly helpers" that pick up lots of extra during the amendable period to get a higher retro check....
Given the fact that these things can take years, I would be floored if pilots actually did that, but the logic works.
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Old 03-22-2012, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Got ya. Regardless of the level of cuts at AA and their long term viability, there is going to be more consolidation and that consolidation is going to help the industry...at least for a while (likely a few more years) before the lines of legacy "capacity dicipline" and massive LCC fantasy order books cross. At that point there will be winners and there will be losers, and there will be airlines flying today that won't be flying just a few years from now, with or without more mergers.

We have a chance to be a very well run survivor but for that to happen, our corporate leadership has to put down the "playbook" and run an airline to win, long term, which is arguably almost a lost art among their class and craft. We'll see.

In either case I agree that we have some leverage for the next round of consolidation, which will occur regardless of what happens at AMR (although I think they will merge with all or parts of US and/or B6 and maybe AS but that's just my guess).
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Old 03-22-2012, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
That was a long c54 post....so did I read so fast I skimmed over the scope part?
When I was reading it I was slowly developing the same face as Andrew W.K. (well written, just loooonnnnggg).

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