Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-22-2012, 08:36 AM
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03-22-2012, 08:38 AM
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03-22-2012, 08:44 AM
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Typical Contract Bargaining
...............Cycle
Calculate the time between amendable dates:
ADD:
+ Negotiations Prep after amendable date=0
+ Time in Direct Negotiations=18 months
+ Time in RLA Mediation= 29 months
+ Time in Ratification Process=1 month
+ Time Until Next Amendable Date=4 years
Contract Bargaining Cycle = 8 years
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Do you see the title of this slide? Notice that it says typical contract bargaining cycle? This entire briefing by the NMB was to give everyone involved a historical perspective of negotiations and the NMB's role if they are called in. If the NMB gets involved, their typical time in the process is 29 months.
Now, contrast that with the lie that sailingfun tried to perpetrate here on this forum by saying this:
I see the gap between the two as far to big to be bridged before we go to the NBM. The NMB has made it clear we can expect a very long process if we go that route.
Again this is going to be a long difficult contract with a lot of choices that have to be made. Don't start spending raises now. They may not come for 5 years.
Again this is going to be a long difficult contract with a lot of choices that have to be made. Don't start spending raises now. They may not come for 5 years.
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03-22-2012, 08:48 AM
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Well, should be easy to figure out. The first BAE flew for ASA in 1995, when they actually flew. They were a cronic POS and were down for Mtx constantly. Were a big embarassment during the Summer Olympics a year later. They were ditched in 98 for the crj 50.
However, the blame should go back to 1993, the year they introduced the the ATR 70 really.
So, would that be the illustrious B. Brown?
LM was the one that moved the "line in the sand" and brought us the crj 90's which is arguably more damaging.
However, the blame should go back to 1993, the year they introduced the the ATR 70 really.
So, would that be the illustrious B. Brown?
LM was the one that moved the "line in the sand" and brought us the crj 90's which is arguably more damaging.
There is one, very significant, deference between then and the post 2000 years. Back in 1993 Atlantic Southeast Airlines marketed and sold its own code. ASA was shopping for 737's wen Delta bought it. It wasn't doing "Delta" flying. In fact, I think they were still doing some cross marketing with Eastern when the E120's and ATR's first showed up on the scene.
Delta bought ASA, stripped its code and sold airplanes and pilots to SkyWest. ASA now fly's "Delta" code, which is controlled under the Delta PWA.
03-22-2012, 08:54 AM
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03-22-2012, 08:56 AM
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You didn't answer the last 7 times I posted about this because you lied once again. Blatantly, bald-faced lied. You should be ashamed, but I guess your flight pay loss for this type of "volunteering" takes away any shame.
I not only watched it, I posted it. You on the other hand, lied about what was in it in the hopes we would just believe you. The PowerPoint says NOTHING of what you claim. My reps tell me that the NMB said NOTHING close to what you claim. I've repeatedly asked you to post any evidence from the PowerPoint or from anyone who was in the room. You did nothing but slink away in the hopes people would forget about your shameful lie.
Yes they did. But that's not what you claimed. You claimed that the NMB "made it clear to us" that if we wanted to be tough (as defined by you I guess), the NMB was prepared to park us and make this a very long process. The NMB said NO SUCH THING.
Carl
I not only watched it, I posted it. You on the other hand, lied about what was in it in the hopes we would just believe you. The PowerPoint says NOTHING of what you claim. My reps tell me that the NMB said NOTHING close to what you claim. I've repeatedly asked you to post any evidence from the PowerPoint or from anyone who was in the room. You did nothing but slink away in the hopes people would forget about your shameful lie.
Carl
03-22-2012, 08:59 AM
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FDX just posted an eye watering profit for last quarter. Good sign for the economy. Say it with me- There's no money in...
03-22-2012, 09:00 AM
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Don't you just love the way the current crop of paid DALPA leakers and other "volunteers" trash DALPA people...when they're not in DALPA anymore? Mr. Malone was the negotiating committee chairman who negotiated the industry leading contract of C2K. He was then MEC chairman during 9-11. But once you stop showing complete blind loyalty to DALPA, you're trashed.
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Originally Posted by Capt. Malone
In closing, I want to acknowledge the leadership Mr. Mullin provided to Delta and the entire airline industry in the challenging days following September 11. In those most difficult of times, he offered much needed clarity and direction. ...
Fraternally,
Capt. John Malone
Chairman, Delta MEC
Fraternally,
Capt. John Malone
Chairman, Delta MEC
Somehow if I crash the airplane on every maneuver I attempt, I've never gotten that kind of debrief.
03-22-2012, 09:16 AM
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Frank takes the prize.
03-22-2012, 09:25 AM
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To be fair, the context of those remarks by JM were in response to Leo's efforts to get a bailout from the Feds, which we got, in no small part due to his testimony before congress. He was a crappy airline CEO, was really only brought on board to merge DAL and UAL, but he did make the other CEOs look like hacks that day. Too bad he didn't use that big brain to actually run the operation.
Frank takes the prize.
Frank takes the prize.
My quote was taken from the announcement that Mullin was leaving Delta. He had been fired.
Giving Mullin credit is like me crashing on every single maneuver and managing to get more sim time before Delta fired me. The Feds gave us another six months of life, as did B of A. Leo and Fred burned all of that, and in the process let Michelle fund such Delta marketing initiatives as a book tour of the writer of "Secrets of a Gay Marine Porn Star" and "youth Pride."
Was he evil and vindictive in the form of a Lorenzo? No, he was just greedy and incompetent.
Conservatively, Delta Connection cost us 25 Billion and a few thousand jobs. In all fairness, Malone should have let a furloughed Marine write Leo's love letter, without editing. IM(somewhat educated)O, Mullin set this Company on a course for bankruptcy reorganization as far back as 2001-2001. If you look back at his speeches, they were full of statements like "new cost paradigm" and he was saying "it does not matter what we spend, our competitors will match us." Worked great for Contract 2000, but a good case can be made that he never intended to honor that agreement in good faith.
Among our MEC Chairmen, Malone was probably one of the better ones. My comment was just contrasting the ridiculousness of the argument.
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