Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-21-2012, 09:45 AM
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Flew a trip with the LCA at that is the project manager for the glass upgrades to the 88/90 and 75/76. He's been working on the program for about 5 years. His opinion was that we have a bout a 90% chance of getting the 88/90s upgraded, and about a 65% chance on the 75/76. He didn't really have anything to say about the 717.
03-21-2012, 09:49 AM
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03-21-2012, 09:52 AM
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ACL,
I know it's speculation, but that's an absolute non-starter with me. We shouldn't have one 76 seat jet at DCI but thanks to Lee Moak's "proactive engagement strategy" we have up to 153 (IIRC) 76 seat jets and a hard cap of 255 70+ seat RJs.
Now you want to let the company have another 100 70+ seat RJ's so we can fix what ALPA's buffoon lawyers screwed up the first time and you want to trust those same idiots again???? NFW
I don't remember which forum member has as his tag line something like "Not one more pound, not one more seat, and not one more jet". That sums up my feelings very well.
Years ago Delta had a relatively small fleet of MD-11s which the company signed long term leases on. Maybe ten years later they decided it was cheaper to park the aircraft and pay the leases than continue to operate the airplanes at a loss, and they did exactly that.
If the contracts management entered into with various DCI carriers to operate 50 seat RJs (described as "self financing" by the infamous Fred Reid) are now money losers I'm not going to take it in the shorts to subsidize (once again) a poor decision on management's part.
I know it's speculation, but that's an absolute non-starter with me. We shouldn't have one 76 seat jet at DCI but thanks to Lee Moak's "proactive engagement strategy" we have up to 153 (IIRC) 76 seat jets and a hard cap of 255 70+ seat RJs.
Now you want to let the company have another 100 70+ seat RJ's so we can fix what ALPA's buffoon lawyers screwed up the first time and you want to trust those same idiots again???? NFW
I don't remember which forum member has as his tag line something like "Not one more pound, not one more seat, and not one more jet". That sums up my feelings very well.
Years ago Delta had a relatively small fleet of MD-11s which the company signed long term leases on. Maybe ten years later they decided it was cheaper to park the aircraft and pay the leases than continue to operate the airplanes at a loss, and they did exactly that.
If the contracts management entered into with various DCI carriers to operate 50 seat RJs (described as "self financing" by the infamous Fred Reid) are now money losers I'm not going to take it in the shorts to subsidize (once again) a poor decision on management's part.
Let them hear you loud and clear.
How would you feel that within say 10-15 years DCI is effectively gone? A GTF limitation would do that. Just my guess, but it was in the opener.
Again, these is so much stuff out there with rumors etc on this forum, the DALPA forum etc that all I am doing is piecing a bunch of this crap together. I have no knowledge, sorry, just playing out Bar's stuff a little further and adding a little color to prove that nothing is cut and dry. It never is.
There are going to be a lot of twists and turns going forward, that is just the way negotiations are. I will wait to see what the final deal is that the MEC approves before I decide anything.
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03-21-2012, 09:53 AM
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You have to attempt to view it from a management standpoint. They have spent five years in a reeducation campaign with the other employees that Delta will only be able to pay industry standard wages. They are correct in their cost assumptions to an extent. This is perhaps the most brutal industry around on companies that let costs get out of line.
A pilot contract that is viewed as above the abstract they have created with the other employees will lead to big problems. After our 2001 contract they had to follow up with a 17 percent raise to the mechanics when things started to get ugly there.
I suspect they will be willing to put forth a contract with some impressive numbers in the out years. They will not put out anything near what I or most pilots expect in the short term. The collapse of talks at UAL and the 1113 action at AMR will leave the company thinking and serious raises for the pilots will put their pilot costs way to high and that they will have other costs with non union employee fallout. The package they put forth will be back loaded while the package we want and deserve will have to be front loaded. I see the gap between the two as far to big to be bridged before we go to the NBM. The NMB has made it clear we can expect a very long process if we go that route.
Again this is going to be a long difficult contract with a lot of choices that have to be made. Don't start spending raises now. They may not come for 5 years.
A pilot contract that is viewed as above the abstract they have created with the other employees will lead to big problems. After our 2001 contract they had to follow up with a 17 percent raise to the mechanics when things started to get ugly there.
I suspect they will be willing to put forth a contract with some impressive numbers in the out years. They will not put out anything near what I or most pilots expect in the short term. The collapse of talks at UAL and the 1113 action at AMR will leave the company thinking and serious raises for the pilots will put their pilot costs way to high and that they will have other costs with non union employee fallout. The package they put forth will be back loaded while the package we want and deserve will have to be front loaded. I see the gap between the two as far to big to be bridged before we go to the NBM. The NMB has made it clear we can expect a very long process if we go that route.
Again this is going to be a long difficult contract with a lot of choices that have to be made. Don't start spending raises now. They may not come for 5 years.
Carl
03-21-2012, 10:02 AM
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Unreal.
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03-21-2012, 10:04 AM
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ACL,
I know it's speculation, but that's an absolute non-starter with me. We shouldn't have one 76 seat jet at DCI but thanks to Lee Moak's "proactive engagement strategy" we have up to 153 (IIRC) 76 seat jets and a hard cap of 255 70+ seat RJs.
Now you want to let the company have another 100 70+ seat RJ's so we can fix what ALPA's buffoon lawyers screwed up the first time and you want to trust those same idiots again???? NFW
I don't remember which forum member has as his tag line something like "Not one more pound, not one more seat, and not one more jet". That sums up my feelings very well.
Years ago Delta had a relatively small fleet of MD-11s which the company signed long term leases on. Maybe ten years later they decided it was cheaper to park the aircraft and pay the leases than continue to operate the airplanes at a loss, and they did exactly that.
If the contracts management entered into with various DCI carriers to operate 50 seat RJs (described as "self financing" by the infamous Fred Reid) are now money losers I'm not going to take it in the shorts to subsidize (once again) a poor decision on management's part.
I know it's speculation, but that's an absolute non-starter with me. We shouldn't have one 76 seat jet at DCI but thanks to Lee Moak's "proactive engagement strategy" we have up to 153 (IIRC) 76 seat jets and a hard cap of 255 70+ seat RJs.
Now you want to let the company have another 100 70+ seat RJ's so we can fix what ALPA's buffoon lawyers screwed up the first time and you want to trust those same idiots again???? NFW
I don't remember which forum member has as his tag line something like "Not one more pound, not one more seat, and not one more jet". That sums up my feelings very well.
Years ago Delta had a relatively small fleet of MD-11s which the company signed long term leases on. Maybe ten years later they decided it was cheaper to park the aircraft and pay the leases than continue to operate the airplanes at a loss, and they did exactly that.
If the contracts management entered into with various DCI carriers to operate 50 seat RJs (described as "self financing" by the infamous Fred Reid) are now money losers I'm not going to take it in the shorts to subsidize (once again) a poor decision on management's part.
I'm proud to know you..... You are at a point where you could turn your back on this entire issue and I believe you would be relatively unscathed. So from all the FO's and those Captains that are holding onto their seat by a thread, thank you for your support! You're the kind of Captain many of us aspire to be and the kind of pilot that Delta should seek when they start hiring again.... a true professional in every sense of the word.
Thanks!
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03-21-2012, 10:15 AM
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03-21-2012, 10:20 AM
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I kind of have to agree with Alpha, if the CRJ900 and the likes are so great then why aren't startup airlines running to them instead of 737s or in 717s in Spain?
But then you have to ask, why do we have the 255 max pwa allowed long CRJs and short E190s?
But then you have to ask, why do we have the 255 max pwa allowed long CRJs and short E190s?
03-21-2012, 10:21 AM
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Anybody have any experience checking golf clubs at the ticket counter, but using the jumpseat for travel? I'd like to take my clubs, but if it means risking them going to the dead bag room somewhere, I'd rather rent. Is there some special code or tag that can let ACS know I'm actually on board the airplane?
I hate to wear my uniform just to be able to go outside to see, but I suppose that's always an option (a bad one, but one nonetheless).
Thanks for any and all help.
I hate to wear my uniform just to be able to go outside to see, but I suppose that's always an option (a bad one, but one nonetheless).
Thanks for any and all help.
03-21-2012, 10:28 AM
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The sad fact is that management uses mainline only as it's LAST resort. The LGA slots are just their latest thumb in the eye. Why do you post things that are so easily proven wrong?
No it's not. Growing the NETWORK is.
Carl
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