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07-01-2009, 09:05 AM
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Even if they were ok with it, it's not too late for them to change their mind. Right?
07-01-2009, 09:18 AM
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I don't think he is for outsourcing that airplane. Some people on here seem to be pulling for the 195 to replace the dc9 at mainline. Why in the world would you want to replace the dc9 with a similar sized airplane that pays 20% less. That is just the dumbest things I have seen on here.
We would like to insure we get the flying. When they park the -30's and -40's (100 & 110 seats), we know that the replacement aircraft for the routes they flew as of now WILL be the 70 seaters. It would be dumb of us to allow further erosion of our flying and routes just because an aircraft pays 20% less.
Our DC-9-50's carry one more passenger than the A-319 (I think. If not, it's equal.), but pays $10 less. So, it's not uncommon for unfair payrates to exist at an airline. It's up to us to change those rates. That only happens if we have the airplanes first.
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07-01-2009, 09:32 AM
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This is a rerun of the B-scale arguments from 25 years ago. Is it better to get the airplanes and fix the rates later, or stand on principle lest all rates be pulled down? Management said they wouldn't hire without a B-scale, but some thought they were bluffing. We never found out, because a B-scale was agreed to and the rates were fixed later. Despite this fairly benign outcome, hard feelings persisted for a long time, and those "not yet hired" eventually became the majority.
07-01-2009, 09:33 AM
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The rates in the contract wouldnt be used for long anyway. It would take a while for them to order the planes and get them on property. By the time all of that fell into place we'd be coming up on contract negotiations. So arguing about the payrates that are on the books now is pretty pointless. Get them on property and we can get better rates for them.
Also we dont have rates for the C-Series in the contract so that would have to be negotiated after they were ordered anyway.
Also we dont have rates for the C-Series in the contract so that would have to be negotiated after they were ordered anyway.
07-01-2009, 09:47 AM
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I don't think they'll order without payrates established, I think they learned their lesson on that one with the 777s. Unless we signed off and said it's equal to the e195. Kind of like how we evidently said the 76 seat crj900 is the same payrate as a 100 seat e190. Or someone didn't know the difference in a e190 and crj900. 
I guess with the carries we need to establish different rates considering the size potential of the aircraft.
I guess with the carries we need to establish different rates considering the size potential of the aircraft.
07-01-2009, 09:53 AM
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I don't mean to interrupt the current discussion regarding scope etc.; but, what is company policy regarding the use of company vehicles for non-company related things ... ie... lunch and shopping? I saw something today in NKY that caught my attention and figured I would ask.
We're being told to Fly the Flightplan, but it seems others in suits aren't exactly doing the same.
We're being told to Fly the Flightplan, but it seems others in suits aren't exactly doing the same.
07-01-2009, 10:08 AM
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b scale
Since I wasn't paying much attention back then about bscale airlines let me ask what was the deal with it? Was management just trying to carve a regional rj airline out of the existing DAL complete with cheap salaries on the 732 or was there a threat from outsourcing (using jet service) as there is now?
It is my understanding that it was a management attempt to restructure airline pay scales by offering the pilots still on the property the same rates they were currently flying, but pay any new hires a lower rate for flying the same aircraft/routes etc.
The current pilots jumped at it since it wasn't their pay being affected. The new hires eventually came to resent the attitude of "I got mine" and started a great deal of internal dissension.
It always goes back to management tactics of divide and conquer
07-01-2009, 11:23 AM
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I don't want to be paid the most, I want to be paid the longest! The power of compounding interest only works if you have income.
07-01-2009, 11:32 AM
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Eric,
We would like to insure we get the flying. When they park the -30's and -40's (100 & 110 seats), we know that the replacement aircraft for the routes they flew as of now WILL be the 70 seaters. It would be dumb of us to allow further erosion of our flying and routes just because an aircraft pays 20% less.
Our DC-9-50's carry one more passenger than the A-319 (I think. If not, it's equal.), but pays $10 less. So, it's not uncommon for unfair payrates to exist at an airline. It's up to us to change those rates. That only happens if we have the airplanes first.
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We would like to insure we get the flying. When they park the -30's and -40's (100 & 110 seats), we know that the replacement aircraft for the routes they flew as of now WILL be the 70 seaters. It would be dumb of us to allow further erosion of our flying and routes just because an aircraft pays 20% less.
Our DC-9-50's carry one more passenger than the A-319 (I think. If not, it's equal.), but pays $10 less. So, it's not uncommon for unfair payrates to exist at an airline. It's up to us to change those rates. That only happens if we have the airplanes first.
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Your scope also prevents 195 at the regionals so it is up to management if you get them or not. Those cannot be flown by others unless you guys let them.
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