Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-21-2012, 07:16 AM
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My response to the DGS guy would have been something like "Oh you mean how they mounted the standby compass above the F/Os head and gave you mirrors that won't stay put to so you could see it. Yeah that's really well designed."
03-21-2012, 07:18 AM
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03-21-2012, 07:27 AM
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I never said I support outsourcing. What I am trying to explain is that many on here seem to think that if tomorrow we could own all flying at Delta airlines we would keep every route. Nothing could be further from the truth. We would eventually lose every route that could not be operated at a competitive rate. To say otherwise is to argue that the airline industry is not intensely cost competitive. Good luck with that discussion. I believe the company over stepped the scope issue with the EM170/175. They should be operated at the mainline. I have been consistent in that on every post I have made since joining this forum.
You often post very good and accurate information on here - even better, often not what the mob wants to hear. Kudos for a fresh well informed perspective.
But at times it appears that you eagerly try to make managements point. Case in point - you say management will only run the most cost efficient jet on any route. What about LGA? Do you think that LGA-DFW, LGA-ORD and others can be run more efficiently with RJ's?
Or is the company running RJs on some routes because the geniuses running the company a few years back went ape-**** and signed contracts with numerous lowest cost providers and is now forced to live within this constraint.
I agree that costs are probably the primary factor concerning aircraft routes, but it appears that the long term lift contracts may also play a part. I guess it is what it is.
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03-21-2012, 07:30 AM
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You keep saying this sailingfun despite the FACT that their PowerPoint said no such thing. And people who were in the room said the NMB stated no such thing. Please post ANY evidence to back up what you claim. My evidence is the NMB's PowerPoint and the words of my reps. What's your evidence?
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03-21-2012, 07:36 AM
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03-21-2012, 07:38 AM
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I never said I support outsourcing. What I am trying to explain is that many on here seem to think that if tomorrow we could own all flying at Delta airlines we would keep every route. Nothing could be further from the truth. We would eventually lose every route that could not be operated at a competitive rate. To say otherwise is to argue that the airline industry is not intensely cost competitive. Good luck with that discussion. I believe the company over stepped the scope issue with the EM170/175. They should be operated at the mainline. I have been consistent in that on every post I have made since joining this forum.
We need the airplanes here FIRST, then we can work on getting the rates up to REAL PILOT* status later. A B-scale already exists, it might as well be on the list. Bring the pilots over with the planes and problem solved.
Only marginally more expensive (ie no longevity reset, benefits, etc) but I think it could be done if we framed the argument properly and had the support of the entire pilot group. Unfortunately, as you demonstrate, we do not.
I can't see any rep I've talked to even entertaining a deal that lifts the scope limit any. If anything, most want it tightened up.
*TIC reference to real pilots being too good to fly RJ's. I say bring 'em on. I'll fly them.
03-21-2012, 07:39 AM
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Scoop , that is the point I have been trying to make. The newest RJ equipment is more efficient than our's and you are also correct that we have lift we are paying for and need to utilize.
Sailing,
You often post very good and accurate information on here - even better, often not what the mob wants to hear. Kudos for a fresh well informed perspective.
But at times it appears that you eagerly try to make managements point. Case in point - you say management will only run the most cost efficient jet on any route. What about LGA? Do you think that LGA-DFW, LGA-ORD and others can be run more efficiently with RJ's?
Or is the company running RJs on some routes because the geniuses running the company a few years back went ape-**** and signed contracts with numerous lowest cost providers and is now forced to live within this constraint.
I agree that costs are probably the primary factor concerning aircraft routes, but it appears that the long term lift contracts may also play a part. I guess it is what it is.
Scoop
You often post very good and accurate information on here - even better, often not what the mob wants to hear. Kudos for a fresh well informed perspective.
But at times it appears that you eagerly try to make managements point. Case in point - you say management will only run the most cost efficient jet on any route. What about LGA? Do you think that LGA-DFW, LGA-ORD and others can be run more efficiently with RJ's?
Or is the company running RJs on some routes because the geniuses running the company a few years back went ape-**** and signed contracts with numerous lowest cost providers and is now forced to live within this constraint.
I agree that costs are probably the primary factor concerning aircraft routes, but it appears that the long term lift contracts may also play a part. I guess it is what it is.
Scoop
03-21-2012, 07:56 AM
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03-21-2012, 08:01 AM
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sailing frequently posts wrong information on here and is called out on it by all parties.
Bullet-proof? Speaking of official emails... our best union lawyers in the industry kind of missed the mark on that one quite recently. "Sorry, we'll have to fix that next time."
03-21-2012, 08:09 AM
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Then again, I'm not getting excited either: airframes on property will be the only way to judge this new rumor.
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