Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-20-2012, 06:05 PM
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03-20-2012, 06:07 PM
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Its not even a rumor. The company has not approached the union with any offers on scope or 717's or anything in the recent threads. The only real fact is that SWA has stated the 717 are not in their long range fleet plan and they will not renew the leases. Those expire over a period of time I think from 2017 to 2024. Phantom 717's in the desert ect.. were leased to a European startup airline and not Delta. They are gone. As I have mentioned before Delta starts the 100 seat rumor every time a contract is being discussed. I still don't think they want a two class 100 seat aircraft.
03-20-2012, 06:07 PM
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Who knows ... (not I) But, if given the choice, I'd rather get the new CRj 905 than the 717. It has better performance and better profit margins. Flying an airplane that makes money is a good thing for job security.
Management can buy all the RJ's it wants. We do not have to change scope for that to happen.
Management can buy all the RJ's it wants. We do not have to change scope for that to happen.
03-20-2012, 06:08 PM
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My last trip ...
(1) Remind them that they had a jet sitting outside a gate
(2) Remind them that jet needed an air cart
(3) Remind them that another jet had no Maintenance sign off
(4) Remind them a TO alternate was required
(5) Remind them to have the gate close the flight so we could get our numbers, not once, not twice ... three times. While holding short of a runway, blocking a couple of other jets, with everyone burning this expensive Jet A.
(1) Remind them that they had a jet sitting outside a gate
(2) Remind them that jet needed an air cart
(3) Remind them that another jet had no Maintenance sign off
(4) Remind them a TO alternate was required
(5) Remind them to have the gate close the flight so we could get our numbers, not once, not twice ... three times. While holding short of a runway, blocking a couple of other jets, with everyone burning this expensive Jet A.
And that's just one trip.
03-20-2012, 06:10 PM
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Who knows ... (not I) But, if given the choice, I'd rather get the new CRj 905 than the 717. It has better performance and better profit margins. Flying an airplane that makes money is a good thing for job security.
Management can buy all the RJ's it wants. We do not have to change scope for that to happen.
Management can buy all the RJ's it wants. We do not have to change scope for that to happen.
03-20-2012, 06:11 PM
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Its not even a rumor. The company has not approached the union with any offers on scope or 717's or anything in the recent threads. The only real fact is that SWA has stated the 717 are not in their long range fleet plan and they will not renew the leases. Those expire over a period of time I think from 2017 to 2024. Phantom 717's in the desert ect.. were leased to a European startup airline and not Delta. They are gone. As I have mentioned before Delta starts the 100 seat rumor every time a contract is being discussed. I still don't think they want a two class 100 seat aircraft.
Ed Bastian suggested something, who knows what? For their part, the Reps are talking about a "production balance" with DCI and darned if I can figure out what that means (DCI did not bring any flying to the table, so what do we balance, exactly?)
As suspected, the Company, if they want 717's can get them without any scope changes.
03-20-2012, 06:11 PM
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03-20-2012, 06:13 PM
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Its not even a rumor. The company has not approached the union with any offers on scope or 717's or anything in the recent threads. The only real fact is that SWA has stated the 717 are not in their long range fleet plan and they will not renew the leases. Those expire over a period of time I think from 2017 to 2024. Phantom 717's in the desert ect.. were leased to a European startup airline and not Delta. They are gone. As I have mentioned before Delta starts the 100 seat rumor every time a contract is being discussed. I still don't think they want a two class 100 seat aircraft.
But really, why wouldnt they? Didn't they turn 70 seaters into two class airplanes? Not to mention the 76 seaters? If the E175 can be two class why not the E190?
And fwiw, I dont see how we'd ever exchange scope concessions for an airplane that can only come here. I think that's bizzare, it'd be me saying I was $300 more per hour to live up to my side of the contract. But whether the company would ask for a increase to 355, that's plausible. I could see them asking for that weekly.
03-20-2012, 06:17 PM
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Besides, a 717 just does not paint up like a Killer Whale as well as a 737 does.
If it were up to me, we'd shut down the 737 line tomorrow, revoke the DC9's type certificate, as well as the Certificates of any airplanes that originated in French Canada or Brazil and require RR powered 757-200's perform all narrow body flying with large government subsidies on routes with < 70% load factors. ( Screw Bank of America, bail out 757 flying ).
But that's just me.
03-20-2012, 06:29 PM
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Its not even a rumor. The company has not approached the union with any offers on scope or 717's or anything in the recent threads. The only real fact is that SWA has stated the 717 are not in their long range fleet plan and they will not renew the leases. Those expire over a period of time I think from 2017 to 2024. Phantom 717's in the desert ect.. were leased to a European startup airline and not Delta. They are gone. As I have mentioned before Delta starts the 100 seat rumor every time a contract is being discussed. I still don't think they want a two class 100 seat aircraft.
We may see major scope rewrites and there are a ton of loopholes that Ned fixing. The list is quite long. Jv's and code share pose a huge threat to this group.
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