Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-20-2012, 06:04 AM
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Aren't the Swaps due out today? Lineholder again for the first time in a year
03-20-2012, 06:04 AM
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03-20-2012, 06:09 AM
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I haven't moved up there yet but I am looking and my wife and I really like Novi. It is not as trendy as Ann Arbor, but it has some unique places to eat and drink. Novi is close to other nice areas like Northville and even Plymouth. I'm going to check out Royal Oak soon. If you don't mind gays I've heard it is a really cool area to be.
03-20-2012, 06:11 AM
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If you find something and are looking for some crash padders let me know. Post something in the DTW Crew room. I've been displaced to DTW on the ol' 9 and am looking for a crash pad away from the airport. I can't stand the idea of 6 short calls from a dumpy hotel or pad near the airport.
03-20-2012, 06:18 AM
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There are an inordinate amount of hair salons in Royal Oak, but I live there and this weekend there was no shortage of women in there 20's enjoying the beautiful weather and green beer. It has a nicer downtown than Novi (it's a much smaller version of AA), but the houses in the area are much older build (60's and 70's) and traffic from Novi to DTW down 275 is better than Royal Oak to the airport (75 to 94, plus it cuts right through the D, make sure you have enough gas, you don't want to get off the freeway)
If you want a heated attached garage you more likely to find them in Novi and AA than Royal Oak
I plan on moving back near AA or Plymouth, but that has more to do with driving distance from family and friends. I have also looked in Walled Lake.
If you want a heated attached garage you more likely to find them in Novi and AA than Royal Oak
I plan on moving back near AA or Plymouth, but that has more to do with driving distance from family and friends. I have also looked in Walled Lake.
03-20-2012, 06:38 AM
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Carried over from another thread because it seems more relevant here ....
The Company is rumored to have approached ALPA for a significant scope concession to allow many more 76 seat jets. My posts have been aimed at educating mainline pilots why they might want to look past the 717 and understand the numbers which make airplanes like the CRj905 more desired by management and more operationally flexible. Thus, if we had to play this game defensively; we would rather have the 905's than the 717's; they make more money.
As things stand at the end of 2011, beginning of 2012, mainline has 718 airplanes. At 767 mainline jets the three to one language is triggered. 153 76 seat jets are currently authorized and management has bought every single one they were allowed to buy ... now they want more. It would take a mainline fleet growing by 49 jets to make that happen.
However, then management runs into the 255 total limit on 70/76 seat jets. As you can guess, they've maxed that limit out also.
My guess is that Management wants concessions on one of those two limits with the promise that "if we ever pull down the mainline fleet, we will pull down DCI in a proportionate fashion." We've seen that before and it failed to protect jobs in Contract 2000 because the minute things got tough the Company said "we really need these bigger RJ's to make money and stay in business" so we removed those scope protections and furloughed mainline pilots. Some, ironically, found employment on the same jets ALPA outsourced, at one fifth the pay that they were making at Delta.
Strategically, it would be smarter for Delta pilots to want the real action, the 905's, where Delta's 10K reports say the profits are. That's the more secure position and instead of looking for cheap and used, Delta management is obtaining the best and new for their "regional" operations, again.
The task of our Negotiating Committee is to get Delta pilots in those seats, performing Delta flying. Delta can buy more RJ's if it wants WITHOUT SCOPE CHANGES and fly them with mainline pilots. We should all support and encourage our Reps, Admin and Negotiators to hold the high ground against outsourcing our jobs.
The Company is rumored to have approached ALPA for a significant scope concession to allow many more 76 seat jets. My posts have been aimed at educating mainline pilots why they might want to look past the 717 and understand the numbers which make airplanes like the CRj905 more desired by management and more operationally flexible. Thus, if we had to play this game defensively; we would rather have the 905's than the 717's; they make more money.
As things stand at the end of 2011, beginning of 2012, mainline has 718 airplanes. At 767 mainline jets the three to one language is triggered. 153 76 seat jets are currently authorized and management has bought every single one they were allowed to buy ... now they want more. It would take a mainline fleet growing by 49 jets to make that happen.
However, then management runs into the 255 total limit on 70/76 seat jets. As you can guess, they've maxed that limit out also.
My guess is that Management wants concessions on one of those two limits with the promise that "if we ever pull down the mainline fleet, we will pull down DCI in a proportionate fashion." We've seen that before and it failed to protect jobs in Contract 2000 because the minute things got tough the Company said "we really need these bigger RJ's to make money and stay in business" so we removed those scope protections and furloughed mainline pilots. Some, ironically, found employment on the same jets ALPA outsourced, at one fifth the pay that they were making at Delta.
Strategically, it would be smarter for Delta pilots to want the real action, the 905's, where Delta's 10K reports say the profits are. That's the more secure position and instead of looking for cheap and used, Delta management is obtaining the best and new for their "regional" operations, again.
The task of our Negotiating Committee is to get Delta pilots in those seats, performing Delta flying. Delta can buy more RJ's if it wants WITHOUT SCOPE CHANGES and fly them with mainline pilots. We should all support and encourage our Reps, Admin and Negotiators to hold the high ground against outsourcing our jobs.
03-20-2012, 06:49 AM
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The Company is rumored to have approached ALPA for a significant scope concession to allow many more 76 seat jets...
The task of our Negotiating Committee is to get Delta pilots in those seats, performing Delta flying. Delta can buy more RJ's if it wants WITHOUT SCOPE CHANGES and fly them with mainline pilots. We should all support and encourage our Reps, Admin and Negotiators to hold the high ground against outsourcing our jobs.
The task of our Negotiating Committee is to get Delta pilots in those seats, performing Delta flying. Delta can buy more RJ's if it wants WITHOUT SCOPE CHANGES and fly them with mainline pilots. We should all support and encourage our Reps, Admin and Negotiators to hold the high ground against outsourcing our jobs.
It definitely wouldn't surprise me if the company wanting to have unlimited 76-seaters, so maybe I misunderstood something. Anyone else discuss this with their reps?
03-20-2012, 06:54 AM
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Thanks for the reply, just starting my google recon right now. I need to put boots on the ground and spend a day or two checking out all the areas. My girlfriend found a place near Grosse Point that is in a Marina Village she wants to see. I'll add Novi, Northville and Plymouth to my list. Thanks
03-20-2012, 07:06 AM
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Does anyone know how you are paid for the distance learning CD's for an initial training event?
03-20-2012, 07:14 AM
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I will leave you with this farfetched, yet possible thought. DAL could purchase these planes put them in service, take a mainline fleet snapshot affecting our RJ's numbers and then get rid of them or other mainline aircraft - and I believe the allowed RJ numbers do not adjust down. Probable- Hell No! But disturbingly - allowed per our stellar Scope.
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