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With that language?

And the sex scene! They weren't even married!

Jesse

Lighten up, Francis.... the comment I responded to was in regard to social security, so you've taken it a bit out of context...ergo, no knifing in DAL pilots' backs.

Phuz

Yup. Your grand kids will just have to wait to have a job until I retire.

acl65pilot

I quoted your response but my response is to the general sentiment of guys staying to 65.

Think of it this way. Are you saving a significantly greater portion of your earnings outside of your 401k or DAL retirement plans? Those could be taken at some point by the government to fund everyone's retirement. You scoff and laugh and say it will never happens; that I am nuts. That is my point, that is exactly what most who lost their pensions said. Some were paranoid or smarter than the rest but the majority thought that their retirement planning was the pension. Now faced with a few million dollar shortfall(the market has not performed well since the payout)they have to work. I am sure most (besides dal88)would rather be doing something else past 60.

DAL 88 Driver

If I had my druthers, I would retire at 60. That was my plan when I got into this career. But, as you point out, with having lost the pension (which I was counting on... stupidly perhaps) half way through my career... I need to work until 65 to make my retirement objective work. If I did have to retire before that, I would just have to go out and get another job. I can't imagine a job that I would enjoy any more than this one... so I choose to look at the bright side that I have the option to continue to work past 60 doing something I love to do.

Now, having said all that... I disagree slightly with your comment on having "a few million dollar shortfall" and insinuating that is because of the performance of the market over the past few years. That is certainly true for a lot of individuals (although I would submit it is due primarily to the loss of the pension), but it is not a given for everyone. I am quite happy with the performance of my 401k and DC Plan over the past 5 years and expect it to provide a retirement income at age 65 that will be at least equal to what I would have had with the pension and possibly superior to that.

I also MUCH prefer that the money is now in my name. That doesn't eliminate all the risk by any means, but it certainly takes away a significant risk that bit many of us in the butt. As for the government confiscating our 401k's... I think that's pretty far out there. I guess anything's possible. But if you're going to get into that kind of stuff, then maybe you should just be buying gold, guns, and ammo, storing food, building a bunker, and setting up communications with Urantia to get your grid cleansed.

Rhino Driver

RES Question: Aren't we allowed to move days around now so as to be on call more than 6 days? Have a request in that hasn't been honored. The days I'm trying to move to are "blue," but it says "WARNING-Pilot needs 24 hours rest."

I'm trying to work the last 6 days of this month, and I'm currently scheduled for RES the first 2 days of next month. What gives?

LeineLodge

Can't do it. PBS can build your schedule that way but you can't move your x days to create a pwa or far violation. The only way you can have more than 6 days in a row is through the initial PBS award.

TheNid

What's the carrot (<) mean next to some seniority numbers?

orvil

I would have gone before 60. I fly to live not live to fly.

Back in the day, we watched Eastern and Braniff implode. Anyone who didn't understand the ramifications of those events was sticking their head in the sand. After that, I have lived and saved as if there would never be a pension. Sadly, I was proven correct. I know lots of guys my age and seniority that didn't plan this way. I'm going to be okay, but I expect to see a few in pretty dire circumstances in a few years.

Sadly, circumstances have not conspired to allow me to leave until 60. I'm still on track for 60. If you want to take up a collection, I will be happy to leave earlier.

Bucking Bar

ACL,

The growing over 60 crowd does not need your sympathy or justifications.

You're being political. You don't have to be. They have the legal right to stay and enjoy their seniority - that is the end of the discussion.

Reminds me of a 200 series law class taught by a Hah'varhd JD. She rambled on for about two weeks, asking the class what we thought about different cases ... a grand time was enjoyed by all debating our opinions. As drop day approached I finally had to ask, "hey, we're nobodies and no one gives a rat's hindquarters of our opinions outside of the class. Are we going to study how the law functions and has been interpreted, or continue to waste our time with this?"