Free Bird

I'm afraid that too many others will demand significant contractual improvements instead of the either sun setting the 70's or altogether re-capturing it. Complete restoration and bringing 50+ seaters to mainline will take more than one contract, that's reality. I would prioritize that with Scope being the most important item; thus this contract. Pay and work rules will naturally come when we do all of the flying, next contract. I'd guess that ALPA is going to try and stop the bleeding in regards to scope and try and maximize the rest of the contract.

tsquare

Uh... no, but thank you for playing...

Interesting idea.. but really that is for the next contract since most of those contracts are around for another 12-15 years if I am not mistaken. Why waste capital on them now?




I like this idea... disguise our compensation from Wall Street...

gloopy

So DL management is OK with paying us SWA W-2's for small narrowbody planes? And DL management is already on record saying widebodies could easily pay more than small narrowbodies.

SWA plus reasonable premiums to account for our significantly higher per pilot revenue and up from there for larger equipment. That would already comply with the company's stated objective to keep us in line with our competition.

Jack Bauer

I like the way you think. It's easy to point out the million reasons we shouldnt get a raise. I bit of defeatist way to go about things. Several here seem to do that alot (I suspect a few are management). You, on the other hand, give a very good reason why Delta could afford to give a healthy raise. I especially like your take the bull by the horns lead the way attitude.

gloopy

Yep. This worn out management playbook tactic of pretending they have to be in the middle of the pack as a high water mark is absurd.

If that were even remotely true, that would mean half of a labor group across an entire profession would be overpaid and would need to come down. Anyone in the bottom half can only shoot for the middle as a high water mark, so no one would ever get anywhere.

Apply that "logic" to a post-9/11 bankruptcy and industry depression competitive field and it would seem to imply that our collective 9/11 contracts are some new world order in pilot costs that can never be overcome because anyone that does will sink the ship.

Not buying that lie any more than the lie about how we can never recapture scope because its "too expensive" when in reality most to all that has to be paid are the lease payments to break a DCI contract and we are paying those anyway.

Amish Pilot

Don't be that guy or girl. Unfortunately today, I got to listen Capt Douche pontificate about his Navy career to include a list of the ships he served on and the aircraft he and his Air Force F/O had flown. During his PA, the passengers kept looking at the other uniformed crew members with the question in there eyes as to why is this tool giving us his resume. If his was you today on the XXXX am, MSP to ATL flight, STOP IT! Noboby cares about your resume....... You are making a fool of yourself.

As a veteran, I appreciate your service, but PAs like this have to stop.

gloopy

Because if we don't *invest* capital on that now, by the time we are in range of the next Section 6, the company would have signed new 12-15 year deals, etc.

Sunsetting is only part of what needs to be done. We need to mandate the breaking of at least some DCI contracts within the duration of this contract. And no, it wouldn't cost unfathonable trillions like we are made to believe. All we would have to "pay" would be the lease payments, all of which are being paid for by Delta Air Lines anyway...with a large number directly owned by us.

Then again, maybe that's what they meant by "improve production balance" and stuff. We won't know until we see the TA, right? But do the ALPA DCI MEC's know? Weren't they briefed on the specifics to a degree far greater than the lowly line dog DL pilots, at least WRT scope?

georgetg

From the J.P. Morgan Investor conference brief:

slowplay, I take it you heard that quote also, what's your take on that?

Cheers
George

TenYearsGone

Especially when they interrupt the Freakin Movie. I had this happen last week.


TEN

gloopy

Translation:

"There's a lot of exciting large Rj airframes coming to market soon, many of which are already on firm order by current DCI whipsaw providers under long term contract to DL, inc., and DL wants to outsource them to the lowest bidder. We will work on "creative solutions" to get those jets to the proper pilot groups by any means necessary."


I mean seriously, what else could he have meant? Best case, and I mean best case, he was merely thinking about 70 and up seat turboprops. Absolute best case.