Carl Spackler

Of course there will always be someone on reserve. But with a doubling of our domestic flying at mainline, the upgrades that would produce would be huge. Not just on the 747/777 but ALL aircraft. Those upgrades would ensure that our most junior person at the airline now would not have to be on reserve if that pilot didn't WANT to be on reserve.






Carl

Check Essential

It was Kirby talking. Don't confuse Kirby with Parker.
Kirby is President I think. Parker is Chairman/CEO?
I'm not sure. Someone correct me on that.
I agree with your point though. They must have caught him off guard. Its rare for an exec to admit that labor is a factor.

tsquare

Uh... where on earth do you get THAT line of logic? I won't try to speak for sailing, but anybody that has been paying any attention would realize that it is his (sailing's) line of reasoning that wants DALPA involved in future negotiations with management. It is the Carls and donut crowd that thinks we can just demand things and they will be granted. USA management learned from what happened at DAL... they are just NOW catching on, however I'll betcha there is some disingenuity there in that because of their labor strife they have very low costs there.. they laugh all the way to the bank over that...

Jack Bauer

Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. I didnt get to hear any of it. Figured Parker was there too.

Here goes Jeffrey

Tomcat

I can think of a couple places out in the desert or as a PBR can....

tsquare

OK I agree. but I think that we should pay for the dying part with the pay increases that would be realized in the 747/777 community. Since you have a retirement, you can live on what you made last year. Don't spend MY pay raise on something that is going away anyway.

forgot to bid

Maybe we could all do that? Hold our breath until scope changes.

The crewroom would look like Jones Town and still nothing would change.

But hiring would begin.

Check Essential

Wow. Jeffrey sure does love the 787. Talking like its gonna be the key to United's future.

Carl Spackler

And it is the "constructive engagement" types that refuse to concede that it has failed. They look the other way when our management rammed the truck through our scope loophole for the RAH scope violation. They look the other way when our management outsources over 90% of the LGA slots we fought hard to win. They look the other way when our management now fights to REMOVE the existing crew rest area on the A330 and want to put pilots in pax seats for their crew rest.

Constructive engagement describes the relationship at SWA with SWAPA where positive results are gained through MUTUAL respect. Our relationship is one of a poor sucker being scammed by a smooth talker who whispers in your ear: "You're a new style of union leadership."

Carl

tsquare

Constructive engagement has not failed. Would you rather have our contract.. or USair's... or UCal's... The only place where it has failed is where it didn't allow you to give management a bloody nose.

As far as the LGA slot swap: None of us paid any attention. Had we done so, we would have realized that all USA did with those slots was exactly what DAL is/was proposing to do with them. RJ flying. Nothing changed except the livery. I admit that I got caught up in the euphoria too. I would hope that we all learned our lessons though, and that if those routes do not eventually grow to mainline that we will not be on board with management's pet projects. that doesn't mean that we have to hold our breath and wait for some leverage to come our way whereby we can bend management over the barrel however. I still believe we will be vastly more successful by cooperating than being obstinate. that being said:

what is YOUR solution then? How are we gonna get the things you want?