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Old 03-13-2012, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by kamsman
Bastian was just asked about Southwest 717's and said no comment ( no options are off the table )
New mantra this month:

Better duty rig or I will hold my breath until they change it!!!

3 day trips in LAX worth 10 and 11 hours. YGTBSM
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Old 03-13-2012, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
New mantra this month:

Better duty rig or I will hold my breath until they change it!!!

3 day trips in LAX worth 10 and 11 hours. YGTBSM
Is that something new? I thought all the Hawa'ii flying was like that...
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Old 03-13-2012, 06:55 AM
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You can listen to all the JP Morgan presentations.
USAirways is going right now.

Highlight --
Scott Kirby was asked about consolidation and possible merger with AMR, etc. and what lessons he learned from the attempt to buy Delta. He answered that he learned that labor was more important than he thought. He needed labor allies to make the buyout work and just having the best financial outlook for the creditors was not enough.
Can't believe he said that, but he did.
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Old 03-13-2012, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
I don't believe their scope is sustainable. they just announced they are not gonna make money in Q1. They are not gonna grow organically anymore. There is no more low hanging fruit for them to pick. Something will have to give because the shareholders will throw management to the curb if they do not make money. That scope clause is gonna be a noose around their necks in the not too distant future, or they are gonna have to pay dearly to keep it.
This entire thesis is based on a wrong premise t. It presumes that outsourcing equals more profits. That's simply not true. Delta wastes money doing what they're doing with the regionals. The aircraft have higher CASM's than anything we have at mainline, but management does it anyway. Some say it's because they want the ability to whipsaw us so bad, they're willing to lose money to do it. I don't know if that's true, but it doesn't matter. SWA doesn't outsource because it's not profitable to do so. That's why their scope won't change.





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Old 03-13-2012, 06:58 AM
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Old 03-13-2012, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
This entire thesis is based on a wrong premise t. It presumes that outsourcing equals more profits. That's simply not true. Delta wastes money doing what they're doing with the regionals. The aircraft have higher CASM's than anything we have at mainline, but management does it anyway. Some say it's because they want the ability to whipsaw us so bad, they're willing to lose money to do it. I don't know if that's true, but it doesn't matter. SWA doesn't outsource because it's not profitable to do so. That's why their scope won't change.





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Time will tell. I still think it a waste of time to negotiate for something that is dying anyway. SWA doesn't outsource because their hands are tied by that clause. They wanted to do international, but the clause said no... good for SWAPA, bad for SWA.... at that time. We will see if it can survive or if it forces a big time structural change at SWA. My guess is that management doesn't want to change the airline by adding another airframe (as witnessed by the soon to be demise of the 717 on the property) so they will have to downsize or undertake another merger of some sort. Since their advantage in making money is rapidly evaporating, (and their reluctance to charge bag fees.. another face saving problem for Ichan) something is gonna have to give. Stagnation over at SWA is the only thing that makes sense.. that guy that you think such a genius by leaving DAL is gonna be throwing gear on a fluff for a long long time... if he survives... I can't wait to see their next contract. I'll bethca they don't raise ANY bars...

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Old 03-13-2012, 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
You can listen to all the JP Morgan presentations.
USAirways is going right now.

Highlight --
Scott Kirby was asked about consolidation and possible merger with AMR, etc. and what lessons he learned from the attempt to buy Delta. He answered that he learned that labor was more important than he thought. He needed labor allies to make the buyout work and just having the best financial outlook for the creditors was not enough.
Can't believe he said that, but he did.
Someone better get Sailingfun on the horn. He thinks these mergers go through with the flick of managements wrist....no employee involvement required. I beg to differ and so does our alcoholic CEO friend. He might be a drunk but he has learned from the school of hard knocks. Not as dumb or arrogant as he once was.
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Cheers! Got it tuned in.

It just ended lol.

OK got United up now.
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
I agree that what is going on at DAL sucks wrt outsourcing. I also agree with a certain gold bug poster on the ALPA board that says this isn't worth the negotiating capital. The elephant in the room is international scope.. NOT RJs. International scope is the issue.. NOT domestic.
Couldn't disagree more. Other airlines fly over HALF of Delta's domestic brand. Delta pilots fly less than half of Delta's domestic brand. That's the:




WRT SWAPA's international scope, it allows for code share and JV's...just like ours. SWAPA's scope would be no worse than what we have now for international operations. But it would be a huge win for our domestic operations...both for customer service and DALPA seniority list growth.

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Old 03-13-2012, 07:09 AM
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duplicate. sorry
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