Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-11-2012, 11:59 AM
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I agree 100%. It's now time for the DPA to huddle everyone up and get behind the negotiators. The time for BBQ's and quasi-valid web surveys is long past. It's just divisive now and hurts us all.
Whether you agree with ALPA or not, we're now going to be dancing with the one that brought us. Telling your date that she's ugly and that you could do much better doesn't help your chances of succeeding (insert your definition of success here
) at the end of the night.
It's time for everyone to get on board. We all basically want the same thing.
Question for DPA guys: If DALPA were to negotiate C2012 to include massive restoration and scope reversals, would you be happy?
If the answer is yes, then you should be doing everything you can to support
DALPA now, as they WILL be negotiating this contract.
**Full disclosure - I filled out a DPA card about 2 years ago and think the DPA movement served a very useful purpose. Unfortunately, they did not receive
enough support and now our efforts will be most useful pushing the DALPA rock up the hill.
Whether you agree with ALPA or not, we're now going to be dancing with the one that brought us. Telling your date that she's ugly and that you could do much better doesn't help your chances of succeeding (insert your definition of success here
) at the end of the night. It's time for everyone to get on board. We all basically want the same thing.
Question for DPA guys: If DALPA were to negotiate C2012 to include massive restoration and scope reversals, would you be happy?
If the answer is yes, then you should be doing everything you can to support
DALPA now, as they WILL be negotiating this contract.
**Full disclosure - I filled out a DPA card about 2 years ago and think the DPA movement served a very useful purpose. Unfortunately, they did not receive
enough support and now our efforts will be most useful pushing the DALPA rock up the hill.
03-11-2012, 12:03 PM
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Given all the discussion about the Southwest contract (and the idea of adopting it in part or in its entirety) can anyone confirm my understanding of the lance captain program?
My understanding is that SWA has no captains on reserve, but instead has FOs that are captain qualified. These FOs will get escalated to the left seat as needed, and will be replaced in the right seat by a reserve. Do I have it right?
If that's the case, do we really want to go there?
My understanding is that SWA has no captains on reserve, but instead has FOs that are captain qualified. These FOs will get escalated to the left seat as needed, and will be replaced in the right seat by a reserve. Do I have it right?
If that's the case, do we really want to go there?
03-11-2012, 12:14 PM
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Sorry to hear this all too familiar problem, hope she makes it out. May I suggest you take the time to write up the problem? At the top of the Travelnet web page, there is a link to Travel Survey. Have a scotch, count to 10, and fill out the NRSA Travel Survey form. That goes for alla youse.
03-11-2012, 12:14 PM
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RSV at WN is 16 days off a month. All your days on are our equivalenth of short call. IIRC it converts to about 78 normal hours of pay.
03-11-2012, 12:29 PM
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Wife is traveling non rev from Shreveport to Atlanta experiencing firsthand the horrible customer service provided by an RJ airline slapped with the Delta brand on it. The flight has several seats available and the gate agent doesn't know how to clear the stbys. She said the gate agent got so fed up with people that she just walked off.
Update: Another gate agent came and told all the stby's that there were no more flights today. My wife went up to him and said " According to the Delta App there's a 4:30!" Gate agent replied, "Oh I thought it was 4:30 now."
Update: Another gate agent came and told all the stby's that there were no more flights today. My wife went up to him and said " According to the Delta App there's a 4:30!" Gate agent replied, "Oh I thought it was 4:30 now."
The gate agents are Regional Elite, and Delta owns them. Good luck with the travel.
03-11-2012, 12:42 PM
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Ok, our reserves should have that too. 3 on, 4 off per week sounds pretty good.
Last edited by Bill Lumberg; 03-11-2012 at 12:57 PM.
03-11-2012, 01:11 PM
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Question on booking a positive space deadhead on the front end of trip. Do you book it positive space on travelnet under "company business", then under "crew travel" to get your name put on the reservation? Called crew skeds and they said it's all done under travelnet and "crew travel", but all crew travel does is put your name on an existing reservation. 
Carl
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03-11-2012, 01:14 PM
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So, just to translate that into an annual income... That means the average reserve SWA Captain gets $234,435.60/year. A 5 year F/O would get $140,767.20. An 8 year F/O would get $154,778.40 (about what I made last year as a 12+ year DC-9 Captain). And a 12 year F/O would get $164,102.40.
BTW, if a 12 year SWA Captain just got the reserve guarantee every month, that's $200,944.80/year. If a 5 year SWA F/O just got the reserve guarantee every month, that's $120,657.60/year.
03-11-2012, 01:16 PM
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Quit with the "reality of the NMB" stuff. The company wants something, there is no other reason to start talks early. Don't forget LEVERAGE, that wasn't used in the joint contract. "Hurry up, Wall St is watching.... We'll get $2 billion in synergies and make it up next time....". We're waiting.....
Quit with the "reality of the NMB" stuff. The company wants something, there is no other reason to start talks early. Don't forget LEVERAGE, that wasn't used in the joint contract. "Hurry up, Wall St is watching.... We'll get $2 billion in synergies and make it up next time....". We're waiting.....
Just to be clear, We are not actually starting talks early. Our opener is complete and we asked for a meeting with the company to present it to them next week. They have not agreed to start early and we don't expect to receive their opener next week. If they do produce a opener then we are starting 285 days prior instead of 270. I would not exactly call that significant.
Edit: Just got a email stating my post was incorrect. The meeting next week is to discuss opening early. We will not present our opener. The meeting was requested by DALPA not the company. The normal opening date is 270 prior. If the company agrees to open early at best it will be 2 weeks ahead of schedule. The company has not however requested a early opener.
03-11-2012, 01:38 PM
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Question on booking a positive space deadhead on the front end of trip. Do you book it positive space on travelnet under "company business", then under "crew travel" to get your name put on the reservation? Called crew skeds and they said it's all done under travelnet and "crew travel", but all crew travel does is put your name on an existing reservation.
Carl
Carl
If deviating, you book it under company business and call scheduling within 24 hours to notify them of your deviation from deadhead.
If on your scheduled deadhead, you just add your name under crew travel.
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