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Old 03-10-2012, 08:04 AM
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Old 03-10-2012, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Whidbey
In all the back and forth about what constitutes an opener, and whether or not Carl should be eating crow, I think we're missing the more interesting (and relevant) story here.

After years in this contract that can be opened up April 5, why would management agree to meet for openers early? What events in the news might cause this? Is anyone watching what's going on at AMR? ACL pointed out that they have a hearing 22 March to request an extension from the court. Under the initial filing, didn't they have until the 29th to be the only entity to be able to submit a plan before the court?

The Chairman's letter states:

"But as we have in the past when opportunities have presented themselves, we again choose not to wait. The Pilot Working Agreement permits contract openers to be exchanged up to 270 days prior to our December 31, 2012 amendable date, which is April 5, 2012. We believe opportunities exist, so today, your MEC directed the Negotiating Committee to meet with Delta management early next week to discuss opening the contract now with the goal of achieving a comprehensive agreement on an expedited basis."

Does this make anyone else think the next round of consolidation is about to get rolling?
Just to be clear, my understanding is that management hasn't agreed to anything. It is DALPA that is requesting a meeting with management, and the purpose of that meeting is to request from management that we exchange openers early.

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Old 03-10-2012, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Just to be clear, my understanding is that management hasn't agreed to anything. It is DALPA that is requesting a meeting with management, and the purpose of that meeting is to request from management that we exchange openers early.

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My interpretation could be wrong, and what I received as an answer from my reps could be wrong, but apparently the company asked for the meeting and we agreed.
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Old 03-10-2012, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
There are many opportunities afoot. Japan and Asia are important for us, but so are some of the other opportunities out there. Stand by for whatever comes.

I can see two or three smaller transactions in the next 3-36 months. All of them strengthen our network. DALPA and the DAL pilots being on board will be key in all of them.
I hope all Delta pilots concern themselves with "strengthening our network" only to the extent that it strengthens (GROWS) our seniority list.

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Old 03-10-2012, 08:10 AM
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bacon bits??? is that you????
You didn't see any TIC in that? Although, those large Snickers bars are really good!
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Old 03-10-2012, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
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My interpretation could be wrong, and what I received as an answer from my reps could be wrong, but apparently the company asked for the meeting and we agreed.
Interesting. Just for pure curiosity's sake, I'd like to know. From what TO wrote below, it made me think it was us that was asking:

We believe opportunities exist, so today, your MEC directed the Negotiating Committee to meet with Delta management early next week to discuss opening the contract now with the goal of achieving a comprehensive agreement on an expedited basis.
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Old 03-10-2012, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
There are many opportunities afoot. Japan and Asia are important for us, but so are some of the other opportunities out there. Stand by for whatever comes.

I can see two or three smaller transactions in the next 3-36 months. All of them strengthen our network. DALPA and the DAL pilots being on board will be key in all of them.

If DAL loses NRT because of the opening of HND for Oneworld/Star Alliance, I would imagine a purchase of HA would permit rebuilding the current NRT hub network out of a HNL base...

Like Guam only much bigger...

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Old 03-10-2012, 09:20 AM
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Sorry to change the subject, but are Delta pilots allowed to jump seat on Delta flights while wearing jeans? I had three different Delta pilots jump seat during my trip this week and two of them were wearing blue jeans.
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by cfitstew
Sorry to change the subject, but are Delta pilots allowed to jump seat on Delta flights while wearing jeans? I had three different Delta pilots jump seat during my trip this week and two of them were wearing blue jeans.
Technically no. It's supposed to be business casual.
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
BS. That C2K opener was released...period. The company's opener is ALWAYS obscene and ridiculous. This time, our union won't release it. Everyone needs to make their own decisions as to why that is.

ahem.... A brief search of Carl's post history turns up numerous instances of this. Every one of them emphatically stating as "fact" that the opener would not be released. Man, that was easy...
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