Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-10-2012, 05:44 AM
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How does the text above, which you've included in quotation mark, even come close to what the actual language stated?
The C20 Chairman didn't say, or I'm not seeing it in the text above, that the membership would "never" see the opener. Where are you reading the word, "never" Carl?
You're implying from the text that you'd never see it, and putting words into the C20 Chairman's Letter, and ultimately "union mouth".
Sorry again, but the opener will be shown, and you misunderstood the letter.
GJ
The C20 Chairman didn't say, or I'm not seeing it in the text above, that the membership would "never" see the opener. Where are you reading the word, "never" Carl?
You're implying from the text that you'd never see it, and putting words into the C20 Chairman's Letter, and ultimately "union mouth".
Sorry again, but the opener will be shown, and you misunderstood the letter.
GJ
I'll leave it to others to decide how close my recollection was.
Carl
03-10-2012, 05:45 AM
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This is why guys are so rabid about seeing the opener. It sets a high water mark for the best we'll be able to do. And everyone has to expect that we will have to come to the middle, just like management will.
So the answer is, we should ALL care. If we come in and ask for status quo on scope, or a 5% raise, the company will probably say DEAL!
Of course we can vote down a crappy TA, but I think most guys want to be encouraged by our opener and solidify their belief (my opinion) that our NC and MEC won't send down a crappy contract for vote.
Having talked to the reps and the chair of the NC, I am confident they will not send us a piece of crap to vote on. I have left every one of those conversations/phone calls/emails feeling much better than I did before the conversation. They get it.
Time will tell...
03-10-2012, 05:48 AM
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03-10-2012, 05:57 AM
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Yes t...the company loves you. They're only looking out for your best interests. You are family.
Carl
03-10-2012, 06:04 AM
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Sorry to break up this conversation:
Need a little help with the ifc.id90.com website, does anyone now what the user name and password would be for DL. Tried the PPR # and icrew login with no luck.
The hyperlink for help says contact your Pass Travel Department, not going to help for today.
Lobo
Disregard go there from travelnet!!!
Need a little help with the ifc.id90.com website, does anyone now what the user name and password would be for DL. Tried the PPR # and icrew login with no luck.
The hyperlink for help says contact your Pass Travel Department, not going to help for today.
Lobo
Disregard go there from travelnet!!!
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03-10-2012, 06:07 AM
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True, but the argument has been made that we won't achieve any MORE than we ask for. Why would the company offer MORE pay or BETTER scope than we asked for in the opener?
This is why guys are so rabid about seeing the opener. It sets a high water mark for the best we'll be able to do. And everyone has to expect that we will have to come to the middle, just like management will.
So the answer is, we should ALL care. If we come in and ask for status quo on scope, or a 5% raise, the company will probably say DEAL!
Of course we can vote down a crappy TA, but I think most guys want to be encouraged by our opener and solidify their belief (my opinion) that our NC and MEC won't send down a crappy contract for vote.
Having talked to the reps and the chair of the NC, I am confident they will not send us a piece of crap to vote on. I have left every one of those conversations/phone calls/emails feeling much better than I did before the conversation. They get it.
Time will tell...
This is why guys are so rabid about seeing the opener. It sets a high water mark for the best we'll be able to do. And everyone has to expect that we will have to come to the middle, just like management will.
So the answer is, we should ALL care. If we come in and ask for status quo on scope, or a 5% raise, the company will probably say DEAL!
Of course we can vote down a crappy TA, but I think most guys want to be encouraged by our opener and solidify their belief (my opinion) that our NC and MEC won't send down a crappy contract for vote.
Having talked to the reps and the chair of the NC, I am confident they will not send us a piece of crap to vote on. I have left every one of those conversations/phone calls/emails feeling much better than I did before the conversation. They get it.
Time will tell...
03-10-2012, 06:13 AM
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Yes, Carl is right and everyone else is wrong. Give it a rest Carl.
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03-10-2012, 06:14 AM
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I think some of us are getting a little excited prematurely about this opener. Lets see where the road takes us. Don't buy that new car just yet fellas.
03-10-2012, 06:17 AM
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And sadly, there are others who graduated with a perfect score in the rocking chair. Those alumni take the smallest bit of news and believe it proves that the company loves you after all!
Yes t...the company loves you. They're only looking out for your best interests. You are family.
Carl
Yes t...the company loves you. They're only looking out for your best interests. You are family.
Carl
GJ
P.S. What's the definition of insanity again?
03-10-2012, 06:23 AM
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