Originally Posted by finis72

T, I think pay banding will be in our future, maybe something like 3 or 4 groups. However a 777 flying to JNB produces 2,000,000 (255pax-7700 miles) rpm's divided by 4 = 500,000(roughly) rpm's per pilot. An md88 flying 3000 miles 150 pax =225,000 rpms' per pilot.

Originally Posted by newKnow

Think about it from the possible liability aspects.

Facebook has tens of billions of dollars, lots of insurance, and lots of lawyers.

APC does not.

Originally Posted by BigGuns

APC is released from liability by Facebook's privacy statement... And APC is not liable for an individuals post. Simple decency is a different story. It should be handle on an individual basis... Not closing a thread. However the owners can do what they want! Just my opinion nothing more.

Originally Posted by gloopy

True, but do we really want to fund something like that? So some pilots will get to "touch drop" a pair of 12 days for every week of vacation (and they get at least 5) while junior lineholders might get 5 or 6 extra days and reserves will get 3 or 4 extra days? No thanks.

The problem with vacation is its insanely, insultingly low credit. having a 7 day period on your line that only credits 21 hours is worthless. All it does is guarantee which days you will have off for the month and then throws a couple more days off for the average bidder. Vacation needs to be at least 5 hours a day, and ideally 6. But a minimum of 35 hours of credit for a week of vacation is mandatory. That's a powerful block on your line that will actually give you at least an extra week off, at all seniority levels, lineholder or reserve, and does so fairly and equitably for all pilots rather than the all or nothing system a touch drop would bring.

We could then get optional remedies like no reports prior to noon on the day after, waiveable by the pilot in PBS (to enhance line building options if the pilot chose it) etc.

With the low pay scales, inadequate work rules and horrible scope we have, the last thing we need to be fighting for at contract time is the restoration of little micro empires that a few jailhouse lawyer pilots can scam for extra months off or regular lines with triple pay with comparitively no benefit to the majority of the pilot group.

We already got rid of all recovery from OE trip takes, which in and of itself is fine, but we can't let it lead to the buddy bid with LCA's and greenslip a similar line for triple pay or even entire month off, month after month schedules. That's not savvy pilots getting one over on the CEO's bonus account; that's a handful of inside traders featherbedding at all of our expense.

Originally Posted by Flyinrob

Im new to the industry and have a question about pay. Why don't pilots get paid while waiting at an airport between flights? You're still at work and hanging out where the company sent you. Is this issue brought up every now and then?

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

yes. We are only paid when cleared to push until the airplane is stopped. Brought up? Yes. Change? Would love too.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Alright gents. One of you posted a picture of one of our FA's. It was off a facebook page. I will say this nicely. It happens again, the thread is locked. That is totally below the belt and she did not give you permission. You know who you are and were smart enough to take it down. The quotes have been deleted.

Originally Posted by BigGuns

Now I don't know the context here, however Facebook's privacy policy does state anything posted on Facebook is public domain. This from Facebook's privacy policy: "...Just like when you share information by email or elsewhere on the web, information you share on Facebook can be re-shared. This means that if you share something on Facebook, anyone who can see it can share it with others, including the games, applications, and websites they use...."

I understand taking the high ground, and posters should use discretion, but no reason to close a thread....

Originally Posted by More Bacon

Yep, once you put it on FB, consider it in the public domain...

Originally Posted by sailingfun

A past CEO at a in command briefing stated several times he had no problem paying a 777 CA 500 dollars an hour. He said the revenue generation of the airframe could support it. He then however went on to state that if he paid that we would demand 400 an hour on a 737 which could not support it. I don't remember the exact numbers but a 777 CA generated about 3 and a half times the total revenue of a 737 CA when you factored in the airfares and cargo. They had all the numbers available for each aircraft and they were eye watering on the difference in revenue generation between airframes.