Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-05-2012, 07:41 PM
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Never had that happen with hard time, only credit issues. I'd call and see what's up. If they don't help, the ALPA scheduling guys do a great job sorting out what is happening and will help you out if it's not right. However, I ususally find out that 95% of the time the company is right.
Called crew scheds and they showed me where my accounting error was.
Rocky, like you said, 95% of the time the company is right.
03-05-2012, 07:48 PM
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Yeah, that's a pretty easy transfer from the airport. Take the Leonardo Express train nonstop from FCO (outside terminal 3, take the shuttle bus from terminal 5 if you're arriving on DAL) to Termini Station. From there take a taxi if you'd like, it's walkable but Termini is on the edge of a kinda rough neighborhood, particularly at night. If you walk it, leave the station to the west and walk north on Piazza del Cinquecento & through the Republica roundabout to Via Settembre XX, right there to Via Quintino Sella, take a left to the hotel. There's also a bus that heads up Settembre XX from Termini but I forget the number. Probably best to take a taxi. But the Leonardo Express is a much better deal than taking a taxi from the airport unless you have 3+ people.
03-05-2012, 07:48 PM
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03-05-2012, 07:49 PM
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There have been about 514 Leap Years since Caesar created it in 45 B.C.
Without the extra day every 4 years, today would be July 28, 2013 (well maybe Aug something, not sure when "today" is supposed to be)
Also, the Mayan calender did not account for leap year... so technically the world should have ended 7 months ago.
Without the extra day every 4 years, today would be July 28, 2013 (well maybe Aug something, not sure when "today" is supposed to be)
Also, the Mayan calender did not account for leap year... so technically the world should have ended 7 months ago.
03-05-2012, 07:50 PM
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03-05-2012, 08:02 PM
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I was doing a little math with all this talk about getting paid more in the bigger jets because they fly more people. So in a typical month
747
80 hr month. Average flight say 8 hrs, probably longer, but bear with me. That is 10 total flights. Full jet 393 passengers gives us 3930 passengers moved that month by that pilot.
MD-88
80 hr month. Average flight say 2 hrs as I've seen 4 leg days on them. That is 40 total flights. Full jet 142 passengers gives us 5680 passengers moved that month.
Of course that doesn't take into account the disparity of the price of the ticket for each flight.
747
80 hr month. Average flight say 8 hrs, probably longer, but bear with me. That is 10 total flights. Full jet 393 passengers gives us 3930 passengers moved that month by that pilot.
MD-88
80 hr month. Average flight say 2 hrs as I've seen 4 leg days on them. That is 40 total flights. Full jet 142 passengers gives us 5680 passengers moved that month.
Of course that doesn't take into account the disparity of the price of the ticket for each flight.
03-05-2012, 08:31 PM
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You have to take into account the miles flown.
Why?
passenger seat miles+cargo lb miles = productivity.
And??? so what?
Where the 88 has it, hands down, over long haul is currency. Every long haul pilot struggles with maintaining currency. It takes a couple months to nail down a procedural change (like the flaps command) where a domestic pilot has it down after one trip. On the 777 we say "it takes 4 pilots to get it off the gate." There is a lot of truth in that.
How about we come up with a new payscale whereby the captain gets $10 for every passenger that is actually on board the aircraft. Ferry flights would be done for free.. The FO gets $8. You still think that productivity crap argument will have the 747/777 being the most senior? It's a garbage argument that continues the same sorry pay scales we have always had...
Why?
passenger seat miles+cargo lb miles = productivity.
And??? so what?
Where the 88 has it, hands down, over long haul is currency. Every long haul pilot struggles with maintaining currency. It takes a couple months to nail down a procedural change (like the flaps command) where a domestic pilot has it down after one trip. On the 777 we say "it takes 4 pilots to get it off the gate." There is a lot of truth in that.
How about we come up with a new payscale whereby the captain gets $10 for every passenger that is actually on board the aircraft. Ferry flights would be done for free.. The FO gets $8. You still think that productivity crap argument will have the 747/777 being the most senior? It's a garbage argument that continues the same sorry pay scales we have always had...
03-05-2012, 08:34 PM
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first of all... LOSING... second. What makes you think the decisions will be hard for management.. whatever those decisions are?
03-05-2012, 08:53 PM
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I know this question is always asked during an AE, but how does the bid order go?
AE, VD, MD?
and on the VD, what seniority number do you get to bid with?
AE, VD, MD?
and on the VD, what seniority number do you get to bid with?
03-05-2012, 09:21 PM
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You have to take into account the miles flown.
Why?
passenger seat miles+cargo lb miles = productivity.
And??? so what?
Where the 88 has it, hands down, over long haul is currency. Every long haul pilot struggles with maintaining currency. It takes a couple months to nail down a procedural change (like the flaps command) where a domestic pilot has it down after one trip. On the 777 we say "it takes 4 pilots to get it off the gate." There is a lot of truth in that.
How about we come up with a new payscale whereby the captain gets $10 for every passenger that is actually on board the aircraft. Ferry flights would be done for free.. The FO gets $8. You still think that productivity crap argument will have the 747/777 being the most senior? It's a garbage argument that continues the same sorry pay scales we have always had...
Why?
passenger seat miles+cargo lb miles = productivity.
And??? so what?
Where the 88 has it, hands down, over long haul is currency. Every long haul pilot struggles with maintaining currency. It takes a couple months to nail down a procedural change (like the flaps command) where a domestic pilot has it down after one trip. On the 777 we say "it takes 4 pilots to get it off the gate." There is a lot of truth in that.
How about we come up with a new payscale whereby the captain gets $10 for every passenger that is actually on board the aircraft. Ferry flights would be done for free.. The FO gets $8. You still think that productivity crap argument will have the 747/777 being the most senior? It's a garbage argument that continues the same sorry pay scales we have always had...
I could retort with something like: blah, blah, blah, but that wouldn't be polite.
And with your example, as unrealistic as it is, of course the big metal wouldn't be the most senior.
However if you change your example to $10/passenger/hour in the air they would be the most senior all over again.
Maybe I'm too much of a capitalist, or maybe I'm not a hard core enough trade unionist, but when you remove productivity from the equation, you remove the requirement to be productive. Therefore, IMO, your longevity payscale eventually leads to everyone on reserve (or on constant reroute) and therefore on call the whole month. Personally, I don't want to be deadheading around the world 20 days per month just because "they can."
That might be fine for you, I don't know.
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