capncrunch

My schedule for last month is showing exactly 70 hours and the spill from the trip that touched this month is showing 8 hours. The flying that went into this month was not 8 hours of flying. How does that work? Is this some accounting magic they are using to avoid paying for flying over reserve guarantee for last month?

Carl Spackler

First of all, welcome!

I really don't understand this characterization. I've routinely posted undeniable fact about SWA. Facts about the SWAPA contract, and quotes from their management and union leadership. I've done that mostly to refute some of the folks here who (for some unknown reason) try to portray anything SWA as second rate compared to anything at Delta. In my view, posting hard facts does not constitute being "in love" with something. Some of the folks here simply cannot stomach the truth about the differentials between DAL and SWA, so they portray you as "in love" with SWA if you post the truth. It's an attempt to get you to shut up.

Hate? Really? Could you remind me of a post I've made that constitutes hate toward DAL?

Excellent. I'm happy when anybody enjoys their job.

I hope you'll understand that I don't wish to publcly post the problems I have with my new airline from a flight operations point of view. Therefore, the main problem I have with my new airline is not the terrific airplane I get to fly. It is the union that represents me. That union's lack of desire to reverse our tremendous outsourcing problem portends a very bleak future for us. Unfortunately, most pilots don't understand just how important this is...and just how bad our scope language really is.

Carl

Fly782

Thank you for the clarification. Sorry for the strong use of words. What you said makes sense. Like I said I was just curious since you seem the most vocal.

Scoop

CAPN,

Not sure that I fully understand your question but maybe this will help: It was explained to me that any credit that is earned during a rotation is paid at the end of a rotation while hard time is paid in the month that is was flown. So if a rotation has three days in month A and finishes on day four in month B - all rotation credit will be applied to month B.

Hope this helps - if not the all knowing thread will help out.

Scoop

Carl Spackler

The company apparently wants this from us for a reason. That's called leverage. If a majority of us signs off on this without a significant reversal in outsourcing, you have to ask yourself one question: "What leverage will you have after the next merger when our "quick contract extension" is amendable?"

Use your leverage when you have it for the big battles. Don't put off your big battles until after you've lost leverage.

Carl

capncrunch

That is helpful. It my situation it's hard time and it looks like they're trying to take 4 hours of hard time out of last month and put it into this month.

buzzpat

Yeah, unfortunately, if you spill into the next month and that month is on reserve, you only get credit for the time, not pay. Yet ANOTHER thing that needs to be fixed with our next contract. If you are flying a trip for pay, you should be paid, regardless if it "spills" into the next month or not. I've been bitten on this many times.

capncrunch

I was on reserve for last month and this month, does the above still apply? It's hard flying time that they are trying to pull 4 hours from last month as far as I can tell. It looks like something is rotten in Denmark when I was given exactly 70.0 hours credit for last month.

chuck416

I hope we start loosing them in DROVES!!! The pilots who leave will realize an immediate raise in pay, and our management will be forced to make some hard (for them) decisions...

RockyBoy

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This is correct. However, if you have credit time from days in the earlier month they will move that credit for you to that month. It is not done automatically and you have to have a scheduling supervisor do it after you complete the rotation. It usually isn't a big deal if you a lineholder both months because you will get it all eventually. However, if you are going from a line to reserve you will most likely lose that credit. I've had them move the credit into the prior month on many occassions. They will use a 23K code on the rotation and fix you up, but you have to call them.