Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-05-2012, 11:06 AM
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Dal88? Hmmm
FB? Hmmmm. Nah he don't give a sh....
Seriously, its a new category so your current training freeze doesnt apply. If its your first DAL Capt job, your FAA capt check is done. If you dont like it, you only have to do it for a year 'cause its going away. And due to the way DAL trains, the two best deals at the airline are being the first on "new" equipment and last one to get off old equipment. When it goes away, you can bid whatever your seniority holds system wide. So, who wouldn't want to bid it? Besides me.
FB? Hmmmm. Nah he don't give a sh....
Seriously, its a new category so your current training freeze doesnt apply. If its your first DAL Capt job, your FAA capt check is done. If you dont like it, you only have to do it for a year 'cause its going away. And due to the way DAL trains, the two best deals at the airline are being the first on "new" equipment and last one to get off old equipment. When it goes away, you can bid whatever your seniority holds system wide. So, who wouldn't want to bid it? Besides me.
03-05-2012, 11:24 AM
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Bury your head if you must, but I am using status quo comparisons and you are speculating about what might happen at some point in the future. I will choose to believe the current reality until it is proven to change. I'm a realist. I also relish stagnating in the right seat for more money and better seniority.
03-05-2012, 11:34 AM
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The career earnings for a 20 year SWA F.O. using minimum guarantee and current F.O. pay rates on this forum-$2,554,344. Career earnings for a 20 year Delta pilot upgrading to Captain at year 10-$2,191,800. I started the Delta F.O. in the lowest paying equipment and moved to the next higher paying equipment every 2 years, and continued this progression at the 10 year switch to Captain pay rates. That is a $365,544 over the 20 year period. I would take that bet all day. Of course many will say the Delta rates will go up and the SWA rates will go down, but that is a gamble most betting folks would be willing to take. The SWA number is for minimum guarantee only. I will not speculate as to what each individual pilot will gross, but most pilots at SWA (including me) go well beyond guarantee on every paycheck. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
It wasn't too long ago when a DAL career was valued at $6.5M. The problem is, too many DAL folks keep telling themselves it is still that way.
03-05-2012, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
Dunno if anyone noticed this, but you recently (this week) lost another newhire FO to Southwest.
Oh well... He made a mistake.
Guys you are missing the point! Every Pilot that leaves DAL is great news for all who remain.
There is a cost associated with Pilots leaving - a cost that has been minimal for decades and is now starting to rise.
As has been said before - DAL is no longer most guys first choice as an airline. I hope it will be again in 5-10 years and guys leaving for greener pastures, whether actually greener or not, will only help us achieve this.
What do you think managements response will be to the rising cost of Pilots leaving?? I think they will be forced to look long at hard at our compensation and perhaps be more amenable to increasing it.
As to whether he made a mistake or the smartest move of his career - I don't think anyone can positively answer that question so we can revisit that again in 20 years.
Scoop
Originally Posted by JungleBus
Dunno if anyone noticed this, but you recently (this week) lost another newhire FO to Southwest.
Oh well... He made a mistake.
Guys you are missing the point! Every Pilot that leaves DAL is great news for all who remain.
There is a cost associated with Pilots leaving - a cost that has been minimal for decades and is now starting to rise. As has been said before - DAL is no longer most guys first choice as an airline. I hope it will be again in 5-10 years and guys leaving for greener pastures, whether actually greener or not, will only help us achieve this.
What do you think managements response will be to the rising cost of Pilots leaving?? I think they will be forced to look long at hard at our compensation and perhaps be more amenable to increasing it.
As to whether he made a mistake or the smartest move of his career - I don't think anyone can positively answer that question so we can revisit that again in 20 years.
Scoop
03-05-2012, 11:40 AM
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03-05-2012, 11:45 AM
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No he didn't. He joined Delta and built up some solid 121 time while he waited for a proper paying airline that has management that wants to run an airline versus a ticket brokerage. He'll now be part of a union that values scope above all else, and have 100% of his union dues going toward his own pilots.
Smart move. Delta will increasingly be used as a training ground while awaiting SWA, FDX, UPS and the high paying foreign airlines. Get used to it. Management couldn't care less.
Carl
Smart move. Delta will increasingly be used as a training ground while awaiting SWA, FDX, UPS and the high paying foreign airlines. Get used to it. Management couldn't care less.
Carl
03-05-2012, 11:46 AM
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That merger is less guaranteed then those retirements, as is SWA's contract going only up for the remainder of their existence.
03-05-2012, 11:47 AM
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03-05-2012, 11:53 AM
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The career earnings for a 20 year SWA F.O. using minimum guarantee and current F.O. pay rates on this forum-$2,554,344. Career earnings for a 20 year Delta pilot upgrading to Captain at year 10-$2,191,800. I started the Delta F.O. in the lowest paying equipment and moved to the next higher paying equipment every 2 years, and continued this progression at the 10 year switch to Captain pay rates. That is a $365,544 over the 20 year period. I would take that bet all day. Of course many will say the Delta rates will go up and the SWA rates will go down, but that is a gamble most betting folks would be willing to take. The SWA number is for minimum guarantee only. I will not speculate as to what each individual pilot will gross, but most pilots at SWA (including me) go well beyond guarantee on every paycheck. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
03-05-2012, 12:02 PM
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