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Old 03-05-2012, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Hmmm. DC9 + FTB?
It will make you love the MD88 even more, trust me.
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Old 03-05-2012, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
MSP sure is getting decimated, slowly. Not as many additional spots compared to all of the DC9s going away. Only 19 extra MD90 Captains and 17 FOs?
Just when I declare MSP the new "west" coast hub, they keep moving the line in the sand... sigh, when am I gonna get back to the real west coast??
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Old 03-05-2012, 09:46 AM
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For you junior guys thinking the -9 in ATL will be your salvation from a 15 year upgrade, forget it.

I predict that it doesn't go below 8000. Too many guys dealing with too many fogies for too long. Bet it goes way more senior than you think.

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Old 03-05-2012, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
Heh not a space nut but recall something about Schirra not ejecting when he was supposed to after a booster shut down on a Mercury or Gemini launch? Yep, everything's clear in restrospect....
Yup.. it was the rendesvous flight in Gemini. The thing shut down after it had already lit off!! He was one steely eyed missile man. Probably one of THE decisions that got us to the moon when we did..
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Old 03-05-2012, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
Nah, I'll flow. Will just have to save the Dom Pérignon for my fifth year anniversary, when I can finally afford it .

In all seriousness, DAL is still my number one choice and I'll be very grateful when (if?) I'm given a flow class. But that joy will be tempered by the knowledge that with the current stagnation I'll be very junior for a long time, the MSP base will probably go the way of DFW eventually, and most of the enthusiasm for a restoration contract seems confined to the (non-DALPA) posters on this board. But hey, I'm a "plan for the worst and you'll never be caught with your pants down" kind of guy...maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised by the future at DAL.
VERY JUNIOR FOR A LONG TIME???? What? When things start moving, you will quickly move up the ladder. Right now we are waiting for that initial age 65 push for retirements. When it starts, it won't stop. There are some years when 800 pilots turn 65. If one guy moves from the top (744 or 777 Captain), then something like 9 or 10 move up (A330 or 764 Capt move up to 744 or 777, 767 Capt moves up to A330, 737-800 Capt moves up to 767, etc). So, with 800 moving in one year (and that's if they stay all the way until age 65), there is a heck of a lot of movement. We just have to get to that stage, and it's been slow for the last few years. It will happen.
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Old 03-05-2012, 10:00 AM
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The bolts just blew!!
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Old 03-05-2012, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
It will happen.
I'm afraid if the company continues to shrink, however, the movement will be much more limited than we hope.

That, and I'm afraid of who the company will find to sit in the right seat in another 10-15 years. With the current wages and career expectations, it could get ugly. The talent will flock to the usual suspects here and overseas, and we'll get stuck with...
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Old 03-05-2012, 10:14 AM
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This fall we will have a better idea of how Network plans to use the new 737-900’s and will begin to make 73N staffing adjustments at that time. There will be no 73N vacancies on this bid.
I don't have my pay table in front of me. Does this mean the company's trying to pay us 737-800 wages for the 900?

Do we even have a table for the 900? If not, that would give the company some motivation to negotiate quickly.
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Old 03-05-2012, 10:19 AM
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We gave away section 3B6 a long time ago...
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Old 03-05-2012, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Oh well... He made a mistake.
The career earnings for a 20 year SWA F.O. using minimum guarantee and current F.O. pay rates on this forum-$2,554,344. Career earnings for a 20 year Delta pilot upgrading to Captain at year 10-$2,191,800. I started the Delta F.O. in the lowest paying equipment and moved to the next higher paying equipment every 2 years, and continued this progression at the 10 year switch to Captain pay rates. That is a $365,544 over the 20 year period. I would take that bet all day. Of course many will say the Delta rates will go up and the SWA rates will go down, but that is a gamble most betting folks would be willing to take. The SWA number is for minimum guarantee only. I will not speculate as to what each individual pilot will gross, but most pilots at SWA (including me) go well beyond guarantee on every paycheck. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
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