Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-03-2012, 09:22 AM
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03-03-2012, 09:23 AM
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It's my right to own and be able to afford to fly a Baron 58.
I said that wrong. How do I say you have to collectively buy me that?
I said that wrong. How do I say you have to collectively buy me that?
03-03-2012, 09:24 AM
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And now from my generous nature. I would like this watch for all my "Delta Brothers" as a good faith gift from Management. This beauty was developed for the Pan AM pilots in 1952. Pan Am management went directly to Rolex and requested them to build this GMT watch for their pilots.
Imagine, what a great uniform piece this would be!!!
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03-03-2012, 09:31 AM
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03-03-2012, 09:35 AM
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03-03-2012, 09:40 AM
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03-03-2012, 09:53 AM
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Two things. First is the model, which is the SWAPA model. They are a far more functional union in many ways. They have a great relationship with management but ONLY because they've stood up to management everytime with the important issues like scope. That has earned them a level of mutual respect from management. You don't earn respect being a lapdog...even though management will be glad to describe you as a "new style of union leader" in the Wall Street Journal if needed to make you feel better about your surrender.
Second, the BIG difference with a non-ALPA union will be the lack of conflict regarding the regionals. We can unabashedly go after returning our flying to us without facing the certain lawsuits from the regionals for failing in the duty to fairly represent. This is a HUGE deal. The fact that DALPA and ALPA cannot print a single word about scope or a single word about spending negotiating capital to get our flying back should tell you everything you need to know. An in-house union would have no such restrictions.
I know this makes me sound like a one note musician, but there is simply NOTHING more important than scope. And because ALPA represents both sides, they've self-muzzled themselves on this most important topic.
Carl
Second, the BIG difference with a non-ALPA union will be the lack of conflict regarding the regionals. We can unabashedly go after returning our flying to us without facing the certain lawsuits from the regionals for failing in the duty to fairly represent. This is a HUGE deal. The fact that DALPA and ALPA cannot print a single word about scope or a single word about spending negotiating capital to get our flying back should tell you everything you need to know. An in-house union would have no such restrictions.
I know this makes me sound like a one note musician, but there is simply NOTHING more important than scope. And because ALPA represents both sides, they've self-muzzled themselves on this most important topic.
Carl
03-03-2012, 09:53 AM
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I guess the emphasis about being on time is no longer of import. LOA says it's to be out NLT the last day of the prior bid period. Here we are about 3 days later and nada.
I've been asking the same thing, but does it really matter? If you're in the top 10% you've got the month off.
I've been asking the same thing, but does it really matter? If you're in the top 10% you've got the month off.
03-03-2012, 09:59 AM
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We are no longer in the enviable position we were with C2K. Lots of guys out on the line don't want to believe this and try and rationalize these facts away. One of the first steps in fixing this is recognizing the issue and embracing. When we all can get behind this truth, we can focus our energy and win.
Back to the discussion; yes, but I do not agree that "lots of guys out on the line don't believe..."
We can't if guys keep falling for this:
Belief Disconfirmation Paradigm
- Belief disconfirmation paradigm occurs when a person is presented with information which conflicts with his beliefs. If unable to change his beliefs the conflict experienced could result in a rejection of the conflicting information or the denial of the information. A person unable to resolve the conflict will seek others sharing a similar belief to restore agreement of thoughts. An example of belief disconfirmation paradigm is cult members who experience the failure of a prophecy to occur. The cult members will typically seek an explanation among the group and reach a conclusion that provides an answer that creates harmony.
There are few if any guys I fly with that have this mentality, most are acutely aware of how far we've fallen and how far the climb ahead still is.
I don't believe it has to do with convincing the pilots of Delta.... It has to do with finding a way to convince DAL managment (within the confines of the RLA), and the NMB that what we are asking for is reasonable and should be given to the pilots. THAT is going to be the true challenge.
03-03-2012, 10:03 AM
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Can someone give me the details on how to positive space on the front end?
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