Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-03-2012, 07:01 AM
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If any of you homos touch my stuff I'll ...
Enough of the a$$less chaps and thongs.
The uniform survey is a sleight of hand tactic used by magicians...if you cannot see it for what it is. Do not look at the uniform survey, instead, watch what DALPA is doing with their other hand.
Enough of the a$$less chaps and thongs.
The uniform survey is a sleight of hand tactic used by magicians...if you cannot see it for what it is. Do not look at the uniform survey, instead, watch what DALPA is doing with their other hand.
Carl
03-03-2012, 07:01 AM
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Which is typical of most who are aware of it. So those who brought the resolution to their LEC, and the other 18 pilots will take the time to fill it out and the results will be something like 90% of participants strongly believe the hat should be optional. So what? Yeah, they did what they were supposed to do...good to hear the system works if that's how the system is supposed to work. I just wish it worked as efficiently for things that are a bit more important (e.g. MD-90 & MD-88 pay being equal, but let's ignore that because those guys are so junior).
03-03-2012, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by NY Times,
Operators of the biggest hotels in New York City have agreed to a long-term contract that will give hotel housekeepers and other employees significant pay raises, fully paid health coverage, larger pension contributions and one unusual benefit: personal panic buttons. The deal would include annual raises that would increase wages by 29 percent over the life of the contract. Those increases would raise the pay of a typical housekeeper to $59,823 per year, from $46,337 today, said John Turchiano, a hotel union spokesman.
The proposal would also guarantee that the members continue to receive medical, dental and optical insurance for themselves and their families with no out-of-pocket costs to them, not even co-payments to doctors, Mr. Turchiano said. In addition, the hotel owners would gradually increase their contributions to the members’ pensions to 10.5 percent of total payroll, from 9 percent.
Asked what concessions the union made in return, Peter Ward, president of the council, said, “We didn’t give up anything.”
Operators of the biggest hotels in New York City have agreed to a long-term contract that will give hotel housekeepers and other employees significant pay raises, fully paid health coverage, larger pension contributions and one unusual benefit: personal panic buttons. The deal would include annual raises that would increase wages by 29 percent over the life of the contract. Those increases would raise the pay of a typical housekeeper to $59,823 per year, from $46,337 today, said John Turchiano, a hotel union spokesman.
The proposal would also guarantee that the members continue to receive medical, dental and optical insurance for themselves and their families with no out-of-pocket costs to them, not even co-payments to doctors, Mr. Turchiano said. In addition, the hotel owners would gradually increase their contributions to the members’ pensions to 10.5 percent of total payroll, from 9 percent.
Asked what concessions the union made in return, Peter Ward, president of the council, said, “We didn’t give up anything.”
Carl
03-03-2012, 07:12 AM
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I really don't care who has the biggest **** ******* (that was "bank account" just in case you were wondering). I only care that we are compensated properly and have opportunity for advancement. That's not happening now, and it needs to be corrected (a very large correction). Looking at SWA pay and scope is only a means to an end for us because it bolsters our case for the type of correction we need and should be able to expect.
I'm a competitive person, but I just don't see compensation as a competition. SHOW ME THE MONEY... and I don't care what anyone else makes.
03-03-2012, 07:19 AM
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Only thing "lame" about it is that DPA hasn't figured out the meaning of "fish or cut bait" yet, or here's another for you, "$h!t or get off the pot".
Again, the only reason I put the disclaimer in there was to make sure the "Carl's/88's/Scambo's" of this forum don't get their "panties in a wad" so early on a Saturday morning.
GJ
Again, the only reason I put the disclaimer in there was to make sure the "Carl's/88's/Scambo's" of this forum don't get their "panties in a wad" so early on a Saturday morning.
GJ
Carl
03-03-2012, 07:36 AM
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Carl,
Maybe you know and maybe you don't. Those that I have asked about DPA while flying and in the crew lounge or over a beer etc, have not articulated to me in any meaningful way exactly how DPA will get a better contract for our group. It is crystal clear that they feel DPA will be more transparent, communicate better lower our dues, higher better lawyer's and just be better in general. Which is it the SWA model the APA model the ALPA model?
Maybe you know and maybe you don't. Those that I have asked about DPA while flying and in the crew lounge or over a beer etc, have not articulated to me in any meaningful way exactly how DPA will get a better contract for our group. It is crystal clear that they feel DPA will be more transparent, communicate better lower our dues, higher better lawyer's and just be better in general. Which is it the SWA model the APA model the ALPA model?
Second, the BIG difference with a non-ALPA union will be the lack of conflict regarding the regionals. We can unabashedly go after returning our flying to us without facing the certain lawsuits from the regionals for failing in the duty to fairly represent. This is a HUGE deal. The fact that DALPA and ALPA cannot print a single word about scope or a single word about spending negotiating capital to get our flying back should tell you everything you need to know. An in-house union would have no such restrictions.
I know this makes me sound like a one note musician, but there is simply NOTHING more important than scope. And because ALPA represents both sides, they've self-muzzled themselves on this most important topic.
Carl
03-03-2012, 07:41 AM
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Freezing scope would very likely mean the end of the airline we know now. The airline would still exist, but its pilots would not.
Carl
03-03-2012, 07:43 AM
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Two things. First is the model, which is the SWAPA model. They are a far more functional union in many ways. They have a great relationship with management but ONLY because they've stood up to management everytime with the important issues like scope. That has earned them a level of mutual respect from management. You don't earn respect being a lapdog...even though management will be glad to describe you as a "new style of union leader" in the Wall Street Journal if needed to make you feel better about your surrender.
Second, the BIG difference with a non-ALPA union will be the lack of conflict regarding the regionals. We can unabashedly go after returning our flying to us without facing the certain lawsuits from the regionals for failing in the duty to fairly represent. This is a HUGE deal. The fact that DALPA and ALPA cannot print a single word about scope or a single word about spending negotiating capital to get our flying back should tell you everything you need to know. An in-house union would have no such restrictions.
I know this makes me sound like a one note musician, but there is simply NOTHING more important than scope. And because ALPA represents both sides, they've self-muzzled themselves on this most important topic.
Carl
Second, the BIG difference with a non-ALPA union will be the lack of conflict regarding the regionals. We can unabashedly go after returning our flying to us without facing the certain lawsuits from the regionals for failing in the duty to fairly represent. This is a HUGE deal. The fact that DALPA and ALPA cannot print a single word about scope or a single word about spending negotiating capital to get our flying back should tell you everything you need to know. An in-house union would have no such restrictions.
I know this makes me sound like a one note musician, but there is simply NOTHING more important than scope. And because ALPA represents both sides, they've self-muzzled themselves on this most important topic.
Carl
03-03-2012, 07:47 AM
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How about the SWAPA model? They seem to really fight for their pilots and get them the highest pay and bennies they can, without bowing to the Regionals thanks to a "conflict of interest." Just tell me there isn't a conflict of interest between the Regional pilots wants and the Mainline pilots' wants. ALPA seems to try to split down the middle, and I AM NOT PAYING money for that. I want all of MY interests sought for, not what a Regional guy wants. I am not paying for him. But, I will give Dalpa one more chance to show my they can get us a GREAT new contract. If the TA is poor, then it will be voted down, and I bet Dalpa will be gone next. I don't care if it takes awhile to get the DPA established, it's better than waiting 4 more years for the next contract with a bad current one. And we know RA and SD want it done sooner than later because of possible continuing consolidation.
03-03-2012, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BoyFromSouth
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I could not agree more. We have bigger fish to fry than sending out a servey that deals with uniforms and hats. The survey should have asked more important questions concerning pay, scope, insurance, reserve, retirement and other quality of life issues.
I can only wonder how much time and money was spent on such a worthless survey to the pilot group. ALPA should have thought this one thru a little better.
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