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03-02-2012, 03:32 PM
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ACL,
Several pages ago you intimated about DAL management's conduct regarding possible mergers, but were rather vague.
I know you like to connect dots and I would appreciate it if you would do some dot connecting (WRT mergers) in a less vague fashion; I.E.: specifics.
Thanks...
PS Feel free to PM me if you think that's more appropriate.
Several pages ago you intimated about DAL management's conduct regarding possible mergers, but were rather vague.
I know you like to connect dots and I would appreciate it if you would do some dot connecting (WRT mergers) in a less vague fashion; I.E.: specifics.
Thanks...
PS Feel free to PM me if you think that's more appropriate.
03-02-2012, 03:40 PM
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I disagree. I, along with many others, are waiting to see how ALPA does on this contract. If they deliver whats expected, then I will be proud of my MEC and my union. If not, then the DPA has my support.
03-02-2012, 03:44 PM
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03-02-2012, 03:54 PM
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03-02-2012, 03:54 PM
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well stated. Bravo!
03-02-2012, 03:59 PM
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I think my difficulty with pay banding is that it really puts the cart (pay) before the horse (scope). Without ironclad (adequate) scope, I think pay banding is a bad idea. With ironclad scope (Delta seniority list pilots fly delta passengers. period) I think it is not so bad an idea and workable, but also not perfectly optimal.
That said, merger, fragmentation, acquisition language would have to be updated in a similarly ironclad way.
In our seniority based world, it will always be worse to be junior than to be senior. Pay banding doesn't necessarily lower the ladder down to the junior any more than productivity pay pulls the ladder up. All it does is encourage the senior to fly the type of trips/aircraft they prefer to fly and the junior get what's left.
That's my brief take on the whole thing.
That said, merger, fragmentation, acquisition language would have to be updated in a similarly ironclad way.
In our seniority based world, it will always be worse to be junior than to be senior. Pay banding doesn't necessarily lower the ladder down to the junior any more than productivity pay pulls the ladder up. All it does is encourage the senior to fly the type of trips/aircraft they prefer to fly and the junior get what's left.
That's my brief take on the whole thing.
03-02-2012, 04:03 PM
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03-02-2012, 04:10 PM
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At least we're convinced enough of an impending pilot shortage that PFT arguments have dried up.
And a DC-9 dude works way harder than anyone. No auto-throttles. Need I say more? I'll take my money in non-sequential unmarked bills.
Carry on.
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And a DC-9 dude works way harder than anyone. No auto-throttles. Need I say more? I'll take my money in non-sequential unmarked bills.
Carry on.
:-^ :-v :-^ :-v :-^ :-v :-^ :-v
03-02-2012, 04:20 PM
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DPA is waiting in the wings to do what exactly?...and how are they going to do it?...Are they to follow the APA model or USAPA model to the road to riches?
03-02-2012, 04:29 PM
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The real question is, what is ALPA going to do on this contract to earn the irrational bennies they've been enjoying since BK? BK was a bloodbath for line pilots. But not for DALPA's inner circle. Are you familiar with their obscene FPL and stipend allowances? Have you seen DALPA's expenses (on our dime) from their FL, and other boondoggles? Of course you have.
Every single Delta pilot I've spoken to on the jumpseat or in the hotel van realizes that DPA is not going to happen on this contract. But every single one will vote to boot ALPA if this contract is insufficient. Argue all you want, get as personal as you like, but that's the way it is. Show me the money.
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