Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-02-2012, 02:14 PM
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More importantly, in regard to your tightie whitie situation....go to Costco, buy a huge bag, go on your trip and wear said bag, and return to Costco upon arrival home. Not an ideal solution ....... but one for consideration based on today's trials and tribulations.
03-02-2012, 02:19 PM
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If we can reel in scope and bump my company contributed 401K to the 415C limit, with a few workrule improvements like: A 6.5 hour min day; 1 for 1 training and vacation pay; industry leading night and intl overrides; 1.5 pay for MEDs; and a few others, I think I could live with a 15% stated payraise...maybe.
03-02-2012, 02:30 PM
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03-02-2012, 02:41 PM
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I guess No AE today....... What you guys think? Next Friday the 9th?
03-02-2012, 02:50 PM
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03-02-2012, 02:56 PM
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He did and was replaced by a 40 y/o. Hank has been quiet and short at the last few investor calls. Him leaving does not surprise me. I wondered why there was a change in his level of involvement in the investor calls. On a side note, it is hard to be CEO here when the former CEO is your boss and the one that has all the pull, connections and expertise of the airline and industry.
That Comair CEO left yesterday too.
I bet there are a few more that will retire or leave to spend more time with their families.
Listen to the comments from a few of our top leaders who genrally comment during the investor calls. Go back and listen to their comments and level of input in 2009, 2010, and 2011. I suspect a marked change in the way our leadership is running this airline. (Just my take based on what I have seen/heard from these leaders and the changes I have seen over the last few years) I made a mental note of it a few months ago. Be interesting to see if any thing else pans out.
That Comair CEO left yesterday too.
I bet there are a few more that will retire or leave to spend more time with their families.
Listen to the comments from a few of our top leaders who genrally comment during the investor calls. Go back and listen to their comments and level of input in 2009, 2010, and 2011. I suspect a marked change in the way our leadership is running this airline. (Just my take based on what I have seen/heard from these leaders and the changes I have seen over the last few years) I made a mental note of it a few months ago. Be interesting to see if any thing else pans out.
03-02-2012, 02:58 PM
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03-02-2012, 03:17 PM
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I think my difficulty with pay banding is that it really puts the cart (pay) before the horse (scope). Without ironclad (adequate) scope, I think pay banding is a bad idea. With ironclad scope (Delta seniority list pilots fly delta passengers. period) I think it is not so bad an idea and workable, but also not perfectly optimal.
That said, merger, fragmentation, acquisition language would have to be updated in a similarly ironclad way.
In our seniority based world, it will always be worse to be junior than to be senior. Pay banding doesn't necessarily lower the ladder down to the junior any more than productivity pay pulls the ladder up. All it does is encourage the senior to fly the type of trips/aircraft they prefer to fly and the junior get what's left.
That's my brief take on the whole thing.
That said, merger, fragmentation, acquisition language would have to be updated in a similarly ironclad way.
In our seniority based world, it will always be worse to be junior than to be senior. Pay banding doesn't necessarily lower the ladder down to the junior any more than productivity pay pulls the ladder up. All it does is encourage the senior to fly the type of trips/aircraft they prefer to fly and the junior get what's left.
That's my brief take on the whole thing.
Either way though many seem to agree that some level of pay banding could make a lot of sense. Its kind of silly that an MD90 pays less than a 737-700 or A319.
03-02-2012, 03:27 PM
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We need to take over how this debate is framed. Which would wall street "freak out" about more:
1. DL pilots get a massive, sudden 40% pay raise all the while our managers are squealing about impeding liquidation because of it while actively stoking the embers of mass media hysteria and Bolshevik populism with other work groups.
2. DL pilots merely achieve profitable LCC parity on par with SWA while managers praise themselves for keeping our per pilot costs in line with a low cost competitor despite our significantly higher per pilot revenue and point out to other work groups that pilots are still significantly below...more so than any other work group...their pre-Bankruptcy compensation package.
One is a massive, earth shattering raise on the backs of the poor abused 99% and a finger in the eye of the noble shareholder...Oh the humanity! The other is merely parity with one of the best run, most profitable low cost airlines in the history of the world.
On a related note, we will very soon get to see RA's true colors as well as everyone on his team. If they start the doom and gloom spin machine over something as reasonable as SWA parity (or less?!) it will be clear that their strategy is to paint themselves into a corner from day one. If they at least concede to SWA parity (rates and W-2) they can spin a very large "partial restoration" to the pilot group as holding the line against an aggressive low cost competitor. The choice is theirs.
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