Hey, has anyone received his profit sharing check yet?

Yes we do. And you're already weakening as show by what you've written below:

And continuing the weakening theme:

What do you mean it "doesn't hold water?" It's a fact. Our 757's and 767's pay the same. One is quite a bit larger than the other. That is pay banding...period.

So to recap, we have pay banding on the 757/767, and on the 744/777...but other than that, we have no pay banding! Come on t, don't be so stubborn.

Carl

Mine was sent via direct deposit right on Feb 14th.

Carl,

I like them a little thicker. Do you have any with curves. This one is too skinny for my taste

TEN

I've always hated that type of argument as well, and it's not my argument now. It is just a recitation of history and how we got here.

OK, I'm glad you don't disagree with that portion of our history. But while it made sense for management to want it back then, it made much more sense for ALPA to fight for productivity based pay...and we ultimately won that argument. We won it (in my view) because you cannot defend a position whereby you want pay that is NOT based upon your productivity to the company. Ultimately, that argument is always a loser.

Carl

PAY BANDING:

I remember reading a statement regarding staffing and pay banding. Does pay banding reduce manning needs?

I am ok with pay banding as long as it does not effect our manning in a negative way. If it reduces our head count, forget about it.(I would rather fly domestic when I am 70 )

TEN

Just wanted to vent somewhere, so here it is... &*#^$* scheduling called me twice in the middle of the night! Is that against our contract at all? They called me at 2:15 am from a restricted number and left a voicemail, and again at 6 am from the normal number and left a voicemail for a trip that starts at 3:15. That is so inappropriate to wake me up twice in the middle of the night for something I wasn't contractually required to acknowledge until noon! Argh....

Where u on long-call, short-call, line holder? If Im not on call, my phone is off. Delta only has one number for me too. What is the scenario?

Inverse assignment, maybe?

Ten

Again, you are assuming that they would replace something like a bunch of -88s with a 747. And you even contradict yourself by saying that management could do that, but passengers want more frequency. They will book away if we only have one flight/day and another carrier has 5 or 6.. so that productivity is lost.. doesn't make business sense to upgauge for that reason.

Second paragraph. If management buys more widebodies simply because of our payrates, then we have no argument that our pay does little to affect the bottom line of the business more than we or management will acknowledge. (I am basing this on the fact that I have read many many many times that "we could work for free and it wouldn't save the company", blah blah blah) And if they buy more widebodies because our payrates are lower, then that's a good thing, because they will STILL be paid at the top of the food chain... I say, bring 'em on. But you are still holding onto the old way of thinking... The 707 was a replacement for DC-6s and other prop driven airplanes.. Hardly a germane argument to this discussion.

PLEASE.. explain this to me.. I still do not get it.