Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-01-2012, 04:10 PM
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Everybody on here has an opinion and 1 vote. I know I'm in a minority but I have always been a realist. I would love restoration but the reality to me is that under the RLA and going to the NMB, that isn't going to happen. Sailing came on here and said he wants 40% but then also stated that it will be a long struggle as the NMB has already hinted to DALPA that we won't get released for a long time (example 1, APA and AMR).
That's not managing expectations, that's reality. Reality is that DL has no incentive to sign a 1 billion plus cost increase for the pilots, period. If anybody can come on here and explain why our Mgmt team would do that I'm all ears. Our current Mgmt team is very aggressive about controlling costs and getting rid of routes that don't make money, sucks for us in the short run. SWAPA/SW is held up as our gold standard yet they are in bed together. Why do they get paid so much ?, maybe because SW makes money every year and they get a pay raise just about every year.
In my prior life I had an accounting degree and our (DL) data is still not pretty, improving but not good. I'm not managing expectations, its just reality.
I sound all doom and gloom but I still think we can get a good contract. It won't be easy and it won't be quick.
That's not managing expectations, that's reality. Reality is that DL has no incentive to sign a 1 billion plus cost increase for the pilots, period. If anybody can come on here and explain why our Mgmt team would do that I'm all ears. Our current Mgmt team is very aggressive about controlling costs and getting rid of routes that don't make money, sucks for us in the short run. SWAPA/SW is held up as our gold standard yet they are in bed together. Why do they get paid so much ?, maybe because SW makes money every year and they get a pay raise just about every year.
In my prior life I had an accounting degree and our (DL) data is still not pretty, improving but not good. I'm not managing expectations, its just reality.
I sound all doom and gloom but I still think we can get a good contract. It won't be easy and it won't be quick.
03-01-2012, 04:12 PM
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I would submit that whether you fill them or not has everything to do with it....casm is a nice metric when you are past the break even point for a hull, when things go south 300 empty seats is more problematic than 100.
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03-01-2012, 04:13 PM
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It's neither. It's a lie. It never happened. The NMB never said that to us.
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03-01-2012, 04:17 PM
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03-01-2012, 04:20 PM
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This is where you are wrong. DL does have a reason to get this done, as explained to a LCA friend by SD, the second round of consolidation is coming up, and they do not want to be negotiating a contract during that time, and they also want cooperative pilots for another expedited SOC, which we happily did for the NWA merger so we could capitalize on those $2 billion a year in SUPPOSED "synergies.". So, we know more mergers will happen, and that can help speed the process along, and be used to increase our compensation, but ALPA needs to work for it, not just give in for the sake of being nice. We pay big money in dues, and I expect results that aren't just "realistic.". I think we deserve a bit more than that. Don't settle please.
This time around I think time is on our side. So what if we blow past the amendable date? What would we be screwing up, the ability to merge?
Well in that case, I say we don't have to be in a hurry. We should just concentrate on getting this done right.
03-01-2012, 04:23 PM
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03-01-2012, 04:24 PM
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Boy, it's great to see a good discussion on L&G about something other than contracts. 2nd amendment forever (and don't try any of this in NY or MA).
03-01-2012, 04:24 PM
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Scambo can defend himself, but he's clearly not part of any echo chamber. He was responding to your constant self-insertions of roadblocks on our path to an industry leading contract. Specifically, "the "NMB will block us...and if they don't, "we'll get a PEB"...and if we don't, "the federal courts will block us from striking". That certainly sounds to me like someone who is quaking in fear...exactly like scambo described.
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You also failed to answer my second question. Your belief is that since a U.S. Congress has NEVER imposed a contract after a PEB they would never do so. So, I ask again. Has a U.S. District Court of Appeals ever prevented a union from seeking self help with an 1113c imposed contract?? Guess the fNWA flight attendant's found out the hard way, huh?
03-01-2012, 04:29 PM
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If you call FULLY describing the section 6 process as quaking then I'm on the front of a box of oatmeal. You paint a rosy picture of section 6, I don't.
You also failed to answer my second question. Your belief is that since a U.S. Congress has NEVER imposed a contract after a PEB they would never do so. So, I ask again. Has a U.S. District Court of Appeals ever prevented a union from seeking self help with an 1113c imposed contract?? Guess the fNWA flight attendant's found out the hard way, huh?
You also failed to answer my second question. Your belief is that since a U.S. Congress has NEVER imposed a contract after a PEB they would never do so. So, I ask again. Has a U.S. District Court of Appeals ever prevented a union from seeking self help with an 1113c imposed contract?? Guess the fNWA flight attendant's found out the hard way, huh?
Okay, we'll count you as a yes vote. Next!
03-01-2012, 04:32 PM
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Probably not 100% legal in a lot more places than those, but when someone waltzes into your house that shouldn't be there, what the distinguished "lady" from San Francisco thinks really doesn't matter.
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