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Old 03-01-2012, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Kingbird87
We didn't "hate coming to work". We loved it! We knew that other pilots "had our back" and the camaraderie that came with unity more than made up for the illusion that a hired gun occupant of "Building A" was a nice guy or not. FWIW, I think we have terrific management at Delta Air Lines, and they are doing their job. We, are not. I'm not calling it "kool aid drinking" I'm calling it fear. We floated this boat. The heavy sacrifice of Delta and Northwest Airlines pilots in bankruptcy created the company that leads the world. Let Management manage, I expect a Labor Union to exploit opportunity where it is seen. The problem is, wanting to "have a nice day at work" is not an opportunity, it is denial that any of our efforts and sacrifices had anything to do with Management's success and reward.
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Old 03-01-2012, 02:17 PM
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The ONLY thing that can stop your ability to strike after a PEB is the US Congress intervening and imposing a contract on you. Other than that specific congressional action, your right to strike is guaranteed by law.

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Other than "that"^^^^^^That's an awfully big "other". At that point you're going all in. Better hope you have the winning hand.
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Old 03-01-2012, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Kingbird87
We got one in 1998. We reversed the B scale misery index American and Delta and United forced on it's younger pilots. We Struck! That's how. We went first. And until C2K, there was never a whits worth of difference in what NWA had vs. anyone else. A LBO figured into all this, and still when faced with adversity, we always manned up and built cohesion and consensus. That is what we are supposed to do.
Another spot on accurate post. Our contract was up in 2003 and we couldn't wait to pattern up above UAL and DAL...then 9-11 happened. It is so incredibly weak d!cked when people like tsquare use our 2003 amendable date against us and claim NWA never tried to lead the industry.

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Old 03-01-2012, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
Other than "that"^^^^^^That's an awfully big "other". At that point you're going all in. Better hope you have the winning hand.
Educate us all then Rather B Fishin. When has the Congress intervened in this manner?

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Old 03-01-2012, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
LCPs are not management. Besides, Sailingfun is not an LCP
T, would you clarify that at your next LCP meeting...we were told we are considered management..
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Old 03-01-2012, 02:26 PM
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Sorry to interrupt the debate between Carl & T, but does anybody know if "we" as airline pilots still get a discount on H&K guns? If so, has anybody gone through the process? Please fill free to PM with any info. Now back to the debate!
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Old 03-01-2012, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
You are exactly right, however you cannot ignore that those problems exist.
So let's get this straight: Even though we checked the "pilot" block on the application, we must understand management's decisions on how to spend money and the debt that those decisions resulted in. But when we question some middle manager raking in millions in salary, you ask us what block we checked on the application?

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Good for him. Which block did you check on your application again?
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Old 03-01-2012, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Educate us all then Rather B Fishin. When has the Congress intervened in this manner?

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Hmmm, can I phone a friend? I'm guessing never. Educate us all then Carl. Since prior to deregulation, when has the U.S. had only 4 "major" airlines with one of the four possibly on it's way out? If you're RELYING on the strategy of "well it's never happened before", then I'm glad your not part of the MEC.
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Old 03-01-2012, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Educate us all then Rather B Fishin. When has the Congress intervened in this manner?

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If you could be so kind to educate us on a second question Carl. Prior to fNWA flight attendant's seeking self help in chapter 11, when has a U.S. District Court of Appeals ever prevented such self help????????????
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Old 03-01-2012, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare

Not sure what a penguin is, but he is not management, unless something has changed in recent months.. which I doubt.
The Emperor Penguin. It has an upright and regal bearing as the name suggests. But, it is really just as awkward, gawky, and dirty as other penguins.

A bird by name only as it has wings... but for no apparent reason. This bird does not ever fly.
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