Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-01-2012, 01:21 PM
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More info please. Fireworks show regarding what? If we purchase AK, (which I don't consider a real possibility), since they have no 737-900, they would not be considered a career expectation for them. I don't see that as an issue. Besides, we cannot base our negotiations on what might happen down the road.. well not completely anyway.. we'd be foolish to not at least consider that possibility. And I agree that we need to tread carefully, but what we have now is retarded.
Sorry about the A$$wipe thing.. I owe you a beer.. even though you started it.
Sorry about the A$$wipe thing.. I owe you a beer.. even though you started it.
Alaska operates the 737-900. They have 12 in operation a more on order.
03-01-2012, 01:23 PM
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You get what you negotiate. No need for the middle band. Two is one too many IMHO, but I have conceded this far.
My BP is fine, but thanks for your concern..
I can't figure out how to imbed a video, so here ya go.. it's all in how you count.
My BP is fine, but thanks for your concern..
I can't figure out how to imbed a video, so here ya go.. it's all in how you count.
I understand that a top pay does not work well for most pilots here, and I am one of them, but it also helps differentiate our jets when more jets come on property, or more jets from another airline.
Like "the manager" said, you put the 739 in the WB category or the 757 which would probably be seen as an equivalent, then you are looking at a many possible targets, and their seniority lists who may try to argue that they have WB expectations based upon our super simple pay scheme.
Like I have been trying to say with out saying it, you need to be careful what you wish for. I know that leaves less pay for guys like you, but at least it will help out when you want to keep you seat. All things matter in seniority integrations. I still expect to see us dealing with that in the no too distant future. Prefer growth, but our company and its investors want to consolidate.
03-01-2012, 01:28 PM
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ALPA clearly has its reasons as to why they have no interest in changing the RLA...they're just not saying what those reasons are.
Carl
03-01-2012, 01:29 PM
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But you also get more captain positions, and more people enjoying a better quality of life (vacation, days off) that are OK with making the pay/QoL senior on small versus junior on big tradeoff.
More people on the property is always better.
Nu
More people on the property is always better.
Nu
03-01-2012, 01:31 PM
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More info please. Fireworks show regarding what? If we purchase AK, (which I don't consider a real possibility), since they have no 737-900, they would not be considered a career expectation for them. I don't see that as an issue. Besides, we cannot base our negotiations on what might happen down the road.. well not completely anyway.. we'd be foolish to not at least consider that possibility.
Sorry about the A$$wipe thing.. I owe you a beer.. even though you started it.
Sorry about the A$$wipe thing.. I owe you a beer.. even though you started it.
I'm pretty sure they have the 73-9. I think its more than 10 and less than 15. They &itch about it frequently. V speeds are blistering, it doesn't like to stop. it can't climb above the weather and it can't climb very well when it's climbing.
The best one was, "Flying it is like trying to carry a long, heavy board. You grab it in the middle and try to balnace it, but when the nose starts to go down, it keeps going. You correct it and it takes off the the other way and the tail drops. Stop it, fix it. Repeat."
So, yeah they will lever that if(when) we hook up.
I would apologize for the "Boy Scouts" reference in regards to LCA, but that is just a common line term, so I won't.
Canteen Boy and Scout Master, it was funny if you ever saw it, but, I'll apologize for that.
Standing by the "penguin" label for Sailing though. It fits him perfectly.
03-01-2012, 01:38 PM
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Define you job that way and SLI's etc get ugly.
I understand that a top pay does not work well for most pilots here, and I am one of them, but it also helps differentiate our jets when more jets come on property, or more jets from another airline.
Like "the manager" said, you put the 739 in the WB category or the 757 which would probably be seen as an equivalent, then you are looking at a many possible targets, and their seniority lists who may try to argue that they have WB expectations based upon our super simple pay scheme.
Like I have been trying to say with out saying it, you need to be careful what you wish for. I know that leaves less pay for guys like you, but at least it will help out when you want to keep you seat. All things matter in seniority integrations. I still expect to see us dealing with that in the no too distant future. Prefer growth, but our company and its investors want to consolidate.
I understand that a top pay does not work well for most pilots here, and I am one of them, but it also helps differentiate our jets when more jets come on property, or more jets from another airline.
Like "the manager" said, you put the 739 in the WB category or the 757 which would probably be seen as an equivalent, then you are looking at a many possible targets, and their seniority lists who may try to argue that they have WB expectations based upon our super simple pay scheme.
Like I have been trying to say with out saying it, you need to be careful what you wish for. I know that leaves less pay for guys like you, but at least it will help out when you want to keep you seat. All things matter in seniority integrations. I still expect to see us dealing with that in the no too distant future. Prefer growth, but our company and its investors want to consolidate.
03-01-2012, 01:39 PM
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I don't understand why everyone is so concerned with seeing the "opener". I don't really care what the opener is, as I am sure that is not what we will end up with. What I care about is what they send out for ratification. If it is weak, it will get voted down. I believe in the majority of our 12,000+ pilots that we can think on our own. Most of us deliberate with our friends, peers, coworkers about the merits of a contract and I believe that we can come to a logical conclusion. Just as we are not all lemmings that will willingly go down the path of "we must give concessions or status quo", we are not all lemmings that will follow the endless path of full restoration plus cola. Reality is somewhere in between these two positions.
...Exactly correct! That's precisely why you release the opener to your members. You're going to need their support when it comes to crunch time. Do you realize what it means when DALPA doesn't release it this time? Do you understand that it means either DALPA doesn't care about us supporting their negotiating goals, or they know we wouldn't if we found out what they were?
Again, using the logic of your own previous statement: What does this decision by DALPA say about their view of the value of our support?
Carl
03-01-2012, 01:41 PM
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I'm pretty sure they have the 73-9. I think its more than 10 and less than 15. They &itch about it frequently. V speeds are blistering, it doesn't like to stop. it can't climb above the weather and it can't climb very well when it's climbing.
The best one was, "Flying it is like trying to carry a long, heavy board. You grab it in the middle and try to balnace it, but when the nose starts to go down, it keeps going. You correct it and it takes off the the other way and the tail drops. Stop it, fix it. Repeat."
So, yeah they will lever that if(when) we hook up.
I would apologize for the "Boy Scouts" reference in regards to LCA, but that is just a common line term, so I won't.
Canteen Boy and Scout Master, it was funny if you ever saw it, but, I'll apologize for that.
Standing by the "penguin" label for Sailing though. It fits him perfectly.
The best one was, "Flying it is like trying to carry a long, heavy board. You grab it in the middle and try to balnace it, but when the nose starts to go down, it keeps going. You correct it and it takes off the the other way and the tail drops. Stop it, fix it. Repeat."
So, yeah they will lever that if(when) we hook up.
I would apologize for the "Boy Scouts" reference in regards to LCA, but that is just a common line term, so I won't.
Canteen Boy and Scout Master, it was funny if you ever saw it, but, I'll apologize for that.
Standing by the "penguin" label for Sailing though. It fits him perfectly.
Not sure what a penguin is, but he is not management, unless something has changed in recent months.. which I doubt.
03-01-2012, 01:42 PM
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This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
03-01-2012, 01:43 PM
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But those pictures include "Fang" (I know you know who that is) and he's definitely not management.
Ferd
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