Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-01-2012, 11:08 AM
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KLM (Royal Dutch Airlines) Professional Pilots - Salary Monday, 26 November 2007 00:37 Pilots Salary in KLM (Royal Dutch Airlines)
1. **Rates effective 13.5.06
2. *Rates effective 19.9.06
3. Pension Details last update
Due to new Dutch laws the pension scheme has changed as of 01/01/2006. You now build up 1.95% of your total years pay (including your vacation pay and your end year bonus (set at 8%, for pilots employed before April, 2005). Variable between 4-12% depending on company performance for all new pilots, and older ones who have opted for the new scheme.
On top of this the company participates in the new "levensloop" saving scheme in order to allow the same pension total as before 01-01-2006. Pilots can opt for this or take the money (average of 6%) and invest or spend it themselves, this will result in a lower pension than before the new law took effect.
***** Note the currency converter in the middle of the page and the published date. 6 years ago.******
Rank
Annual (Euros)
Annual (Euros)
Second Officer
Base
36,000*
Base
36,000*
First Officer
Base (depending on age)
44,000**
Top
162,000**
Captain
Base
125,000**
Top
230,000**
Notes: Base (depending on age)
44,000**
Top
162,000**
Captain
Base
125,000**
Top
230,000**
1. **Rates effective 13.5.06
2. *Rates effective 19.9.06
3. Pension Details last update
Due to new Dutch laws the pension scheme has changed as of 01/01/2006. You now build up 1.95% of your total years pay (including your vacation pay and your end year bonus (set at 8%, for pilots employed before April, 2005). Variable between 4-12% depending on company performance for all new pilots, and older ones who have opted for the new scheme.
On top of this the company participates in the new "levensloop" saving scheme in order to allow the same pension total as before 01-01-2006. Pilots can opt for this or take the money (average of 6%) and invest or spend it themselves, this will result in a lower pension than before the new law took effect.
1. Current Fleet
15 Boeing 777-200ERs and 9 A330-200. (7/Jan/07)
2. Orders:
Starting February, 2008 the first of at least 4 Boeing 777-300ER will start to arrive. And an additional 5 A330-200 options have been converted from options to orders.
A Boeing 747-400ERF (freighter) which was initially scheduled to join the fleet in February, 2007 has now been secunded to parent airline Air France for a period of at least 18 months (being operated by Air France crews).
Also an additional 4 Fokker 100's are coming in the next year. And 8 more Boeing 737-800's have been ordered as replacements for Boeing 737-400's.
Sources: PilotJobsNetwork.com
15 Boeing 777-200ERs and 9 A330-200. (7/Jan/07)
2. Orders:
Starting February, 2008 the first of at least 4 Boeing 777-300ER will start to arrive. And an additional 5 A330-200 options have been converted from options to orders.
A Boeing 747-400ERF (freighter) which was initially scheduled to join the fleet in February, 2007 has now been secunded to parent airline Air France for a period of at least 18 months (being operated by Air France crews).
Also an additional 4 Fokker 100's are coming in the next year. And 8 more Boeing 737-800's have been ordered as replacements for Boeing 737-400's.
Sources: PilotJobsNetwork.com
***** Note the currency converter in the middle of the page and the published date. 6 years ago.******
03-01-2012, 11:12 AM
Gets Weekends Off
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Position: A330B
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It's a fantastic day here in West Tennessee. I'm going out to the deer lease to see the new old tractor we got to manage the land. Two Delta pilots managed to break the old W. German John Deere last season. Luckily, we have four retired mechanics in the lease. I had my "hair shirt" on earlier this morning. I value each of you as my peers and the efforts you make each day on behalf of Delta Air Lines. I stand by my comments and appreciate the discourse. We are at a watershed. Frustration is building to a fever pitch. We can use that to change the course of our careers, or we can Red Book/Green Book, Delta/Western/PanAm ourselves into the mediocre middle of the pack. I was hired at Western, got the green light at Delta, went to Northwest and flew on the Red side, spent the last 23 years in a Green base and had a relative that flew for PanAm. They are or were all among the best this profession has offered. Unity.
03-01-2012, 11:25 AM
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Oil at 4 year high at the close. Anybody wanna guess when Carl has to take a paycut?
03-01-2012, 11:28 AM
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[QUOTE=Bill Lumberg;1143834]Look, I am willing to give ALPA one more chance, and then it is time to move over. One more TA, and then if it isn't satisfactory, then I will stump for the donuts until ALPA is gone and short $35 million per year from our dues.
My thoughts exactly. I think DALPA is getting this feeling from a lot of us - I suppose that's why the association is so twitchy on this forum.
My thoughts exactly. I think DALPA is getting this feeling from a lot of us - I suppose that's why the association is so twitchy on this forum.
03-01-2012, 11:35 AM
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The question is how much this OBTW contractual oversight represents in terms of EASK's for production balance (and jobs) purposes?
Just a SWAG, but if it were included I'm guessing 2x 747 weekly is the equivalent ASM's of 5 7ER frequencies. How many DAL pilot jobs is that? Of course since we are shrinking, not hiring, it represents MD's.
03-01-2012, 11:36 AM
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We have an airplane on our property that holds 400 passengers, can weigh over 850,000 lbs, carry enough cargo to "float" the pax and some geniuses lumped it in paywise with an airplane 2/3 it's size. And in three years everyone with the numbers gets a crack at flying it. And those same geniuses have flat lined any aircraft we may ever get that is larger than a 777. I don't know about Carl getting a paycut, but we all got a "haircut" with that infantile logic.
03-01-2012, 11:47 AM
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We have an airplane on our property that holds 400 passengers, can weigh over 850,000 lbs, carry enough cargo to "float" the pax and some geniuses lumped it in paywise with an airplane 2/3 it's size. And in three years everyone with the numbers gets a crack at flying it. And those same geniuses have flat lined any aircraft we may ever get that is larger than a 777. I don't know about Carl getting a paycut, but we all got a "haircut" with that infantile logic.
16 of them... zero on order.
18 777s with a couple on order
By all means, let's cut the 777 pay the same way we cut the 767 to = the 757 pay...
But ya see? You are making my point for me whether you acknowledge it or not....
03-01-2012, 11:48 AM
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Everybody is entitled to an opinion. I find it fascinating though that so many fNWA guys wax nostalgic for the old days when the relationship they had with management basically sucked. I don't want that kind of work environment here. Call it koolaid drinking.. "whistling past the garveyard" whatever catch phrase you wish, but I want little to do with the way you did things at NWA... life is too short to hate coming to work wondering when management or the other employee groups are gonna screw me. But just out of curiosity, how many industry leading contracts did NWA get while you were there? How did they get those industry leading contracts? Did they get them while there was upward movement in the industry or did they somehow manage to garner wage and benefit increases contrary to what everybody else was doing? I am not "hoping" that someone else sets the bar.. we have done that in the past at Delta. But it is much easier to leapfrog if you don't live in a vacuum.
We tried for an industry leading contract in '97, even struck over it. Did we get it? I would say no. We got a raise, but with our version of AVL, that came in with that contract, it was a wash at best. You guys jumped that with C2k, good on ya.
I've caught up with the discussion now and I'm getting more and more amazed how how little polite discourse there is anymore.
Ferd
Last edited by Ferd149; 03-01-2012 at 12:18 PM.
03-01-2012, 12:01 PM
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Posts: 18,563
I know it's not.
The question is how much this OBTW contractual oversight represents in terms of EASK's for production balance (and jobs) purposes?
Just a SWAG, but if it were included I'm guessing 2x 747 weekly is the equivalent ASM's of 5 7ER frequencies. How many DAL pilot jobs is that? Of course since we are shrinking, not hiring, it represents MD's.
The question is how much this OBTW contractual oversight represents in terms of EASK's for production balance (and jobs) purposes?
Just a SWAG, but if it were included I'm guessing 2x 747 weekly is the equivalent ASM's of 5 7ER frequencies. How many DAL pilot jobs is that? Of course since we are shrinking, not hiring, it represents MD's.
Remember that they also have cargo ops that are not branded AF/KLM/AZ that are also not included. Since we do not have dedicated cargo ops, the point is moot in our case.
03-01-2012, 12:01 PM
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They've put a ton of $$$ in them. They're here until they get that money back. Lots of airlines still fly 4 engine airplanes. Just because they have twice as many motors doesn't mean they don't make $$$.
Last edited by johnso29; 03-01-2012 at 12:21 PM.
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