Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-01-2012, 07:29 AM
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When I started at Delta, the CFO was paid about as much as a senior Captain. Now he's making 10X as much. This isn't class envy, it's highway robbery.
03-01-2012, 07:32 AM
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But just out of curiosity, how many industry leading contracts did NWA get while you were there? How did they get those industry leading contracts? Did they get them while there was upward movement in the industry or did they somehow manage to garner wage and benefit increases contrary to what everybody else was doing?
03-01-2012, 07:34 AM
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Obviously WE pilots should pay for it all, and the others should not....... By 2013 the debt financing will cost $500 million less per year when the debt hits $10 billion. It's time to go for a piece of that, or ALPA will be replaced. And SWA is paying cash for all of their new 738s? Did they pay cash for Airtran too? All cash for everything? Sure...... Spin zone in effect again....
03-01-2012, 07:35 AM
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We didn't "hate coming to work". We loved it! We knew that other pilots "had our back" and the camaraderie that came with unity more than made up for the illusion that a hired gun occupant of "Building A" was a nice guy or not. FWIW, I think we have terrific management at Delta Air Lines, and they are doing their job. We, are not. I'm not calling it "kool aid drinking" I'm calling it fear. We floated this boat. The heavy sacrifice of Delta and Northwest Airlines pilots in bankruptcy created the company that leads the world. Let Management manage, I expect a Labor Union to exploit opportunity where it is seen. The problem is, wanting to "have a nice day at work" is not an opportunity, it is denial that any of our efforts and sacrifices had anything to do with Management's success and reward.
So are you OK with the "constructive engagement" style? If not, I will refer you to what you said above. " I expect a Labor Union to exploit opportunity where it is seen." The MEC has been able to do that, yet because it is not done via a bloody nose to the company, it is not seen as successful... I just wanted your take on it. I totally disagree with you last sentence. But that is your opinion, and you are entitled to that. I have seen the relationships that existed between pilots and other groups at NWA, and they were much more commonly contentious than they were at DAL. I prefer the DAL way. Again.. my opinion. (I liked having the FAs put my meal on a plate.. it was civilized... and most of them didn't seem to mind doing that either.)
03-01-2012, 07:37 AM
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We got one in 1998. We reversed the B scale misery index American and Delta and United forced on it's younger pilots. We Struck! That's how. We went first. And until C2K, there was never a whits worth of difference in what NWA had vs. anyone else. A LBO figured into all this, and still when faced with adversity, we always manned up and built cohesion and consensus. That is what we are supposed to do.
And.... do you think we will be allowed to strike in the near (within 5 years) future? Does that dog hunt anymore?
03-01-2012, 07:38 AM
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03-01-2012, 07:40 AM
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03-01-2012, 07:41 AM
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We didn't "hate coming to work". We loved it! We knew that other pilots "had our back" and the camaraderie that came with unity more than made up for the illusion that a hired gun occupant of "Building A" was a nice guy or not. FWIW, I think we have terrific management at Delta Air Lines, and they are doing their job. We, are not. I'm not calling it "kool aid drinking" I'm calling it fear. We floated this boat. The heavy sacrifice of Delta and Northwest Airlines pilots in bankruptcy created the company that leads the world. Let Management manage, I expect a Labor Union to exploit opportunity where it is seen. The problem is, wanting to "have a nice day at work" is not an opportunity, it is denial that any of our efforts and sacrifices had anything to do with Management's success and reward.
But there was always "them" and eyes rolling around to see what was going to jump out next! Mgmt hated pilots and vice versa! You were on one side they were on the other. Drinking beers at the jet lag club is fun and enjoyable when sitting with people on your own team. But there was still "them". Not a north v. south issue here that I am in anyway getting involved in, I have not walked in a North guys shoes. That app was never filled out because of labor relations period (my choice).
What I dont want is a Paris Hilton kick dog representing me at the negotiating table, nor do I want a guy from the Hood showing up with his studded out pitbull either!
Keep Paris and her lil boyfriend at the mall. Lets go in with a trusted and well respected Labrador and just keep Homey and his pit in the hallway.....
Much better results I am sure!
(FTB pics please)
03-01-2012, 07:46 AM
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Republic Airways posts 4Q loss on accounting, fuel - Yahoo! Finance
"Republic has been shifting its operations — especially Frontier — toward bigger planes because they are more economical. Fuel costs are spread out over more passengers per plane. At Frontier, Republic got rid of 21 planes with 99 or fewer seats, and added 10 planes with 120 or more seats.
Lots of airlines are getting rid of smaller jets, so they aren't worth as much as they used to be, forcing Republic to write down the value of the smaller planes that it still has."
"Republic has been shifting its operations — especially Frontier — toward bigger planes because they are more economical. Fuel costs are spread out over more passengers per plane. At Frontier, Republic got rid of 21 planes with 99 or fewer seats, and added 10 planes with 120 or more seats.
Lots of airlines are getting rid of smaller jets, so they aren't worth as much as they used to be, forcing Republic to write down the value of the smaller planes that it still has."
03-01-2012, 07:46 AM
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