Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-01-2012, 04:25 AM
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Horrible? Where's the BS flag?
03-01-2012, 04:28 AM
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I'm not sure I get your point, Bar. The object of the entire exercise is a contract, right? If that can be accomplished, and pronto, you don't have to take either of the two poor choices you mention.
I think the philosophy of constructive engagement that served us well in the merger will be really tested with the contract, and proven as a farce, or a successful tool. The back-stop should be the vote: we will get to see the results of this philosophy before we buy (or refuse) those results. Meanwhile, assuming there is even a chance management is willing to deal, and ssuming they're not dropping the bomb on us, why not try a collaborative model for some period of time? Once we go to the traditional model, we can pretty much park ourselves for a while, and wait for the endless mediation sessions before we can even think of getting released, only to get to a PEB. This could take years. At which point your prophecy of quitting might be open, but illegal self-help certainly won't: we'll just get UsAired.
I think the philosophy of constructive engagement that served us well in the merger will be really tested with the contract, and proven as a farce, or a successful tool. The back-stop should be the vote: we will get to see the results of this philosophy before we buy (or refuse) those results. Meanwhile, assuming there is even a chance management is willing to deal, and ssuming they're not dropping the bomb on us, why not try a collaborative model for some period of time? Once we go to the traditional model, we can pretty much park ourselves for a while, and wait for the endless mediation sessions before we can even think of getting released, only to get to a PEB. This could take years. At which point your prophecy of quitting might be open, but illegal self-help certainly won't: we'll just get UsAired.
The same network management that runs Comair, runs Delta.
03-01-2012, 04:28 AM
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Your posts looks to me like it was pretty competitive when you were hired. Cream of the crop even. You were hired under the current contract and in the last 1.5 years, you have gotten a 4% raise with profit sharing. Apparently our current contract was enough to get you and all of the other highly qualified applicants to join the ranks as Delta pilots. I am just wondering what has changed in the last year and a half that requires a major change in pilot compensation to get qualified candidates?
Most of us, myself included, anticipated a significant contract improvement in 2012 following the highly successful DAL-NWA merger and good profits in a down economy. I was also impressed with the fact that DAL did not furlough back in 2008 when oil was $147/barrel.
If the company does not compensate its pilots appropriately, then DAL will experience a pilot supply issue in the future.
03-01-2012, 04:34 AM
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So are you saying we need to help subsidize our fleet replacement?
03-01-2012, 04:37 AM
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In my opinion, it has been far too easy to become an airline pilot in the last ten years. That fact does not improve our leverage at the negotiating table. As such, it's something we need to examine and improve. Getting those flight time requirements passed and enforced should be a top priority at ALPA national, in my opinion.
In my opinion, ALPA representation of of many of these pilots serves to water down a the professional standard. The fact that so many pilots who have not been subjected to a meaningful standard of selection upon entering the profession are represented by ALPA also handcuffs our union with respect to arguments that they can make that would support (mainline) Delta pilots.
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03-01-2012, 04:55 AM
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03-01-2012, 04:59 AM
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Acl, sailing, PG, other Southies. Hank Halter retired today. Good, bad, neither?
03-01-2012, 05:04 AM
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I've never heard of him...but I noticed I did move up 1 number this morning, so he was senior to me!
Congratulations Hank.
Congratulations Hank.
03-01-2012, 05:37 AM
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In my view, management has already engaged in self help through the abuse of our Joint Venture language. The oldest Chess strategy is four moves. Management's Queen has attacking our King’s Bishop Pawn. The clear signal is that collaboration is already off the table.
03-01-2012, 05:44 AM
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While it would be great to change the RLA, it's not necessary for us to achieve success. A smart strategy that is eminently defensible in front of the NMB is all you need...along with a union that actually wants to extract the maximum for its members. But as you know, we don't currenty have that.
Carl
Carl
If the entire pilot community in this country were to band together and stop interstate commerce like the railway workers did a hundred years ago there would be no fines. They would instead amend the 85 year old law like they did back then. Especially under the current administration I think this would be done.
I have an engineer for the Union Pacific in my family. Although I would not want his lifestyle, believe me, his salary is enviable and guess what, he still has his pension set up exactly like ours used to be. If they can achieve it, so can we.
If we are not happy with our union leadership, it is up to us to recall them.
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