Originally Posted by tsquare

Do YOU really think that we could obtain a 50% pay increase while everybody else is wallowing in BK contracts... and the once largest carrier is about to be handed one?

Originally Posted by tsquare

Frankly I wish we could extend our contract for a year or two. I would take that rumor of an extension for a 20% raise in a heartbeat because once the debt is down, I am convinced that DAL is gonna kick some serious a$$... but that is just me.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Thats not what was reflected in the contract surveys.

Originally Posted by dtwairbus320

Excellent thought! However, I think we all busted our asses to get where we are and are willing to protect this job as a professional career and not a trade. At least I am. Speaking as a junior guy who knew no one at this airline and managed to get on I am extremely grateful to be here. I don't feel entitled to anything except what we are worth and nothing less. Right now we are nowhere near where we need to be.

How we perceive ourselves is what it's all about. If we have the attitude that we should accept less because someone else will do it cheaper is not the right attitude. Hundreds of people trust us to fly them in a multimillion dollar thin metal tube at 35,000 feet going 600mph over great distances every time we go to work. Stop and think about that. The level of trust and responsibility the public and our management places in our hands is not comparable to any other "trade." There are many other professions that pay more with much less responsibility.

The new flight time requirements are a great idea.

NA

Originally Posted by nerd2009

My F/O and I figured how much we would make if just working for tips,....only. Figure it out, and be ready to be blown away!

We are on the 88 and figured tips at 15%, with 100% participation....then 50%...then 25%...then....(still blown away)......

Originally Posted by shiznit

FDX Express 2011 Revenue: 24.58B/4579 Pilots = $5,350,513 per Pilot.

THAT is why it is hard to compare that....

What about profit per pilot?

FedEx Express 2011 = $1.22 Billion (looks a lot like DAL) on a 5.2% operating margin. (DAL pulled out a margin in the 6-8% range).

So many metrics.... Lies, d@mn lies, and statistics.

Originally Posted by Thrust Normal

First of all I said nothing of what I expect (I don't say that with animosity, I just didn't state it). I just grow tired of the same old catch phrases that get repeated and repeated.

Originally Posted by nerd2009

My F/O and I figured how much we would make if just working for tips,....only. Figure it out, and be ready to be blown away!

We are on the 88 and figured tips at 15%, with 100% participation....then 50%...then 25%...then....(still blown away)......

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Thats not what was reflected in the contract surveys.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

All true shiznit. But wouldn't it be great if our bargaining agent communicated the metrics that advatage US the most? Instead, the DALPA communicators here only reference metrics that make us look higher paid and lower worked. Why is that?

Carl

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Thats not what was reflected in the contract surveys.