Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-29-2012, 02:09 PM
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A lot of obfuscation going on. When we grow, we do grow at an advantage vis a vis the European partners because we produce fewer EASKs per jet than they do, so we gotta add more flights.
The reverse is also true. We have to cut many more flights to get the same EASK reduction than they have to, so more block hours cut year over year.
Unfortunately we have reduced our EASKs at a greater rate than them and required to cancel/reduce many more flights than them, thus many more block hours cut on our side vs theirs.
Ask how many flights they cut, and how many we cut and how many block hours/month the cuts represent...
Cheers
George
The reverse is also true. We have to cut many more flights to get the same EASK reduction than they have to, so more block hours cut year over year.
Unfortunately we have reduced our EASKs at a greater rate than them and required to cancel/reduce many more flights than them, thus many more block hours cut on our side vs theirs.
Ask how many flights they cut, and how many we cut and how many block hours/month the cuts represent...
Cheers
George
02-29-2012, 02:23 PM
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Sailing,
"Whats with the negative waves?"
Kelly's Heroes Oddball - Negative Waves - YouTube
DAL 2011 revenue: 35.12B/12056 Pilots = $2,913,072 per Pilot.
LUV 2011 revenue: 15.5B/6104 Pilots = $2,565,530 per Pilot.
Revenue numbers from Yahoo Finance.
Pilot numbers from APC Airline profiles.
Delta Pilots produce more revenue per Pilot than Southwest Pilots. You can argue numbers many different ways - I think this is might be a good starting point.
Scoop
"Whats with the negative waves?"
Kelly's Heroes Oddball - Negative Waves - YouTube
DAL 2011 revenue: 35.12B/12056 Pilots = $2,913,072 per Pilot.
LUV 2011 revenue: 15.5B/6104 Pilots = $2,565,530 per Pilot.
Revenue numbers from Yahoo Finance.
Pilot numbers from APC Airline profiles.
Delta Pilots produce more revenue per Pilot than Southwest Pilots. You can argue numbers many different ways - I think this is might be a good starting point.
Scoop
THAT is why it is hard to compare that....
What about profit per pilot?
FedEx Express 2011 = $1.22 Billion (looks a lot like DAL) on a 5.2% operating margin. (DAL pulled out a margin in the 6-8% range).
So many metrics.... Lies, d@mn lies, and statistics.
02-29-2012, 02:29 PM
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Cheers
George
Cheers
George
02-29-2012, 02:32 PM
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I admire your passion. I really do. I hope that it is contagious and that the rest of the pilot group gets it too.
Some of what you said I agree with.. probably more than you realize. Some I do not.
As far as how many leave, it's like Cramer says "Therer's always a bull market somewhere" You're leaving will creat a bull market here at DAL for someone else. There are thousands of qualified pilots out there that DO have DAL as their first choice.. actually I am not going to get into that argument with you. I'll let Cramer's quote speak for itself. booyah
Some of what you said I agree with.. probably more than you realize. Some I do not.
As far as how many leave, it's like Cramer says "Therer's always a bull market somewhere" You're leaving will creat a bull market here at DAL for someone else. There are thousands of qualified pilots out there that DO have DAL as their first choice.. actually I am not going to get into that argument with you. I'll let Cramer's quote speak for itself. booyah
You may be right about thousands of pilots who has DAL as first the choice. But DAL has definitely lost a lot of lusture in the job market. There was a time when I was bombarded by requests to walk resumes into DAL. Now, whevener I mention DAL to many of my regional friends, I am greeted with an unenthusiastic meh! For most of them, DAL is simply not appealing enough compared to the alternatives they have. And I agree with them sadly. It does hurt my ego a bit!
Of course, DAL is still attractive to many... especially folks who live in our base cities.
02-29-2012, 02:36 PM
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. And also "manage our expectations". I think we're all on sufficient intelligence to think on our own. I always find it ironic the people accusing everyone else of "managine expectations" is the same one trying to push their own agenda. That's allAnger makes a dull man witty, but keeps him poor.
02-29-2012, 02:44 PM
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First of all I said nothing of what I expect (I don't say that with animosity, I just didn't state it). I just grow tired of the same old catch phrases that get repeated and repeated. I highly doubt any manager, of any power, really cares what we say on here. Sometimes I hardly care. And also "manage our expectations". I think we're all on sufficient intelligence to think on our own. I always find it ironic the people accusing everyone else of "managine expectations" is the same one trying to push their own agenda. That's all
Anger makes a dull man witty, but keeps him poor.
. And also "manage our expectations". I think we're all on sufficient intelligence to think on our own. I always find it ironic the people accusing everyone else of "managine expectations" is the same one trying to push their own agenda. That's allAnger makes a dull man witty, but keeps him poor.
02-29-2012, 02:44 PM
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Interesting. Recently listened to a base ALPA rep explain that we should not be focused on this above. Instead of using the metric outlined in the agreement, EASK for passenger and freight, he claimed that we should focus on the block hours.
His next claim was that we are way ahead in block hours as compared to the Atlantic JV partners to the tune of 68% done by Delta. Unbelievable the spin, but 100% true.
His next claim was that we are way ahead in block hours as compared to the Atlantic JV partners to the tune of 68% done by Delta. Unbelievable the spin, but 100% true.
BLOCK HOURS ? Does that include DCI block hours?
Well, hell yaeah! They are up! But mainline block hours are down......
02-29-2012, 02:47 PM
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Alright I want to know, what work groups are nearly back to pre chapter 11 pay excluding senior leadership.
And how much more "efficient" the pilot group is now than pre chapter 11? Say a %.
I say this because I have a buddy who is on the south side, because of the new bucket system he flew 0 hours in February. 0. Just as we expected would happen for a good number of guys. Anyways, the neighborhood he loves in is full of Delta, most non pilot, who are rather outraged that he had a month "off." I've handed him plenty of or liners to combat the "and you guys want pay raises?" but the best would be to say, I just want what everyone else has- my pre chapter 11 pay!
And how much more "efficient" the pilot group is now than pre chapter 11? Say a %.
I say this because I have a buddy who is on the south side, because of the new bucket system he flew 0 hours in February. 0. Just as we expected would happen for a good number of guys. Anyways, the neighborhood he loves in is full of Delta, most non pilot, who are rather outraged that he had a month "off." I've handed him plenty of or liners to combat the "and you guys want pay raises?" but the best would be to say, I just want what everyone else has- my pre chapter 11 pay!
02-29-2012, 02:49 PM
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Thats not what was reflected in the contract surveys.
02-29-2012, 02:53 PM
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