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02-29-2012, 12:40 PM

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finis72

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Originally Posted by freightguy

I'm not pointing at anybody in particular. But management does monitor these forums. I wouldn't be surprised if one or two are posting here either. There are pilots in managements as well.

So if they don't agree with you they are either a union hack or a management hack ? Well then where is my fpl and where is my 7 figure salary ?

02-29-2012, 12:44 PM

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Thrust Normal

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Originally Posted by freightguy

I smell management rats on this forum trying to 'manage' our expectations!

Maybe some people just have an opinion that differs from yours.

02-29-2012, 12:46 PM

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Bill Lumberg

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Originally Posted by flyallnite

Sailing often plays devils advocate- not a bad thing.

On the topic of other employees... I don't care what they think about my salary. From the day I was hired, they made me wear a black hat. Dont ever forget that you do too. In their eyes, you will ALWAYS be overpaid.

Delta pays super senior mammas 50k per year after tax to sling cokes 8 days every other month. I'll bet there are FA's with w2's that equal an md 88 copilot's. Our plight is not to be confused with our image among the other employee groups, many of whom don't plan to make a career here.

When I asked a Capt rep about a year ago if we could expect big raises he asked me "what would the other employee groups think?" to which I responded with an elevated voice "I don't care! They didnt seem to say much when I lost my pension!". ALPA will continue to try to manage expectations.

02-29-2012, 12:48 PM

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Bill Lumberg

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Originally Posted by Thrust Normal

Maybe some people just have an opinion that differs from yours.

So, you don't think we should get large raises and better work rules?

02-29-2012, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dtwairbus320

And let me just add that any increase to our current pay should be referred to as a RESTORATION and not a raise. We all need to use the correct vernacular to make our point clear.

Forget "restoration" how about just "profitable LCC parity" or "on par with our biggest domestic competitor in our biggest hub".

But if it is discussed as "restoration" it should be discussed as "partial restoration far shy of the restoration percentages FA and other work groups have already achieved".

02-29-2012, 12:49 PM

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NuGuy

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Some statemens are so moronic, they deserve Carl's smack downs.

If the other employee groups want a raise, they are free to go through the collective bargaining process AND pay the dues out of their paychecks.

We PAY ALPA to represent the pilots and to look out for OUR interests.

Nu

02-29-2012, 12:51 PM

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Jack Bauer

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Originally Posted by finis72

At least Carl comes up with a good rebuttal before he attacks. I guess if you can't come up with an intelligent response then just revert to name calling. What grade school do you currently attend ?

Some might argue after going through many of your past posts that you are one of the alpa or company expectation managers mentioned here (just like "thrust normal", "sailing" ect. Ninety percent of your time seems to be spent trying to show why we should not get much improvement or the alaska airlines jv is good or the outsourced RJ's are a necessity for our business model ect ect. The other 10 percent saying what a real line pilot trying to regain what was stolen would say to maintain some street cred.

Que defiant "no I'm not!" response......3 2 1

Last edited by Jack Bauer; 02-29-2012 at 01:02 PM.

02-29-2012, 12:52 PM

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Express pilot

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Originally Posted by finis72

So if they don't agree with you they are either a union hack or a management hack ? Well then where is my fpl and where is my 7 figure salary ?

Well I guess you'll just fly longer legs for the same pay as a 737 guy at Southwest Airlines.

02-29-2012, 12:52 PM

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Boomer

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

I don't know of any employee groups that are getting more pay now then pre chapter 11. The current flight attendant rate is 46 an hour verses 50 before the filing...

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

You would need about a 65% raise with inflation and going back to the old standard of quality of life would require the company hire in excess of 4000 pilots...

According to Sailing, F/As are at 92% of pre-BK pay and pilots are at 60% of pre-BK pay.
(given - one number is adjusted for inflation and the other is not)

I think Sailing proves the point that pilots need to come up a bit more to catch up with the other work groups (or at least F/As) when it comes to restoration.

02-29-2012, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by finis72

At least Carl comes up with a good rebuttal before he attacks. I guess if you can't come up with an intelligent response then just revert to name calling. What grade school do you currently attend ?

It's not name calling when it's accurate.