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Old 02-28-2012, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
50 bucks irks me to, but the fact is that they could really nickel and dime us on more than just the annual fee and the customs taxes. Personally, I want nonrev benefits codified in our PWA so that they cannot change them on a whim; fees, allotments etc.
The money doesn't irk me but the reduced availability of open seats means that is another benefit reduction.

I'd like to see a tiered plan:

$0 for pilot benefits to be active
$50 for PPR access for all pass riders
$250 all that plus annual confirmed RT flight passes for all PPR riders
$500 two confirmed RT flight passes for all PPR riders

Same concept of "one great team" upgradable RT flight passes for every PPR#, but available every year.

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Old 02-28-2012, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Thrust Normal
My only point is that there's some cost involved.
You are correct. Your infrastructure has to be sized for the total number of passengers you carry. It makes no difference if they are revenue or non revenue.
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Old 02-28-2012, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
What they do not charge us is the taxes and airport facilities fees from each flight taken. They absorb that. They also absorb the tax hit for it being a benefit that can be hit against your income, just like a company provided car.

50 bucks irks me to, but the fact is that they could really nickel and dime us on more than just the annual fee and the customs taxes. Personally, I want nonrev benefits codified in our PWA so that they cannot change them on a whim; fees, allotments etc.

They can't change the benefits on a whim. In fact the current non rev benefit is much better then what we once had which was 15 dollars per segment for every flight if you had less then 10 years with the company. The company once made a unilateral change in pass benefits. DALPA filed and won a grievance. The company sent me a nice 3000 dollar check for the increase in my previous year non rev fees. 50 is a bargan compared to those days.
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Old 02-28-2012, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sinca3
Funny, I have taxes and fees payroll deducted every time I take a flight! Maybe I'm wrong bu those are the same taxes and fees any rev pax would pay. Example a round trip ATL-CUN for me and Misus is $123.46
The only thing DAL gives us is the ability to ride in open seats that no one else bought....and a free meal and drinks if on the chance you get Biz/First.
But you pay nothing domestically. Ask the fNWA guys what they paid for a flight. Ask other airlines as well. Domestic is free except the 50 bucks. What you are paying on an international flight is/are government taxes and fees. Dal has never waived those.


Problem I see is they could change all of this tomorrow. It needs to be codified in the PWA.
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Old 02-28-2012, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
They can't change the benefits on a whim. In fact the current non rev benefit is much better then what we once had which was 15 dollars per segment for every flight if you had less then 10 years with the company. The company once made a unilateral change in pass benefits. DALPA filed and won a grievance. The company sent me a nice 3000 dollar check for the increase in my previous year non rev fees. 50 is a bargan compared to those days.
Hence my point. It is a perk of the job and Dal eats a lot of costs we never see. They can change that at a whim now and that needs to change. Same goes with offering health care except out two pilot protected plans.
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Old 02-28-2012, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
Can you change your X or * days after they've been awarded?

I have a weekend off, and I'd like to work it now and move those days off to a Monday an Tuesday. I however and not sure how to do that.

Anytime you move golden days, they aren't golden anymore
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Old 02-28-2012, 03:57 PM
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You guys have been mesmerized by too many bewb shots if you think the 717s are going to wind up here.

Bar is closer to reality than the other way.

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Old 02-28-2012, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by freightguy
Same here! If contract 2012 does not restore our pay, I'm out the door as well. In fact, I have some gigs short-listed already... each of them pays more than twice what I'm making now at Delta. There all a lot of opportunities out there. In fact, if the management wants to try furlough to scare us, I say BRING IT ON! In fact, I would be delighted. But I won't give a single concession on scope nor would settle for anything less than restoration of my 40% paycut.
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Best of luck to ya.
Yeah boy...tsquare must have really wowed them in this baby:







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Old 02-28-2012, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
I can now verify this as true. 500 times watching it...and it NEVER does happen.

Carl
It is pretty mesmerizing.

Be honest, nobody just breezed past that one.
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Man, you guys are lucky there aren't many chicks on this board......
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