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Old 02-28-2012, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
How will it improve productivity? Are you planning B scale work rules for the New hires? I sure hope not. Normally hiring actually reduces overall productivity since you end up with a lot of pilots in the school house. During past major hiring binges we had to overstaff around 10 percent for training volume. That is why when the hiring stops we are always overstaffed.
Actual pay costs will go down as you bring pilots in at the bottom of scale. That is however a somewhat temporary gain.
No, that's already part of the contract. How much vacation and sick time depends on years of service. There is a 12 year longevity pay scale, and 401k contributions are directly linked. So as pilots retire off the top, and are replaced by new hires, costs will drop considerably. There is a 12 month freeze on new hire training as well. SWA benefitted from this dynamic for years.
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Old 02-28-2012, 07:00 AM
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Just saw this.

Flow Through Agreements. As of now, there is no flow through agreement in place for ExpressJet pilots. The working group called Delta Connection Pilot Alliance (DCPA) consists of the ALPA Delta Connection carriers of ASA (now ExpressJet), Comair, Compass, and the new Pinnacle. This group has been looking to develop a flow through agreement with Delta and is focused on those pilots serving the Delta Connection system. Since it is easy to determine who that is in our combined pilot group, those flying the CRJ could become eligible in the event that an agreement is reached; however, there is nothing that includes the ERJ pilots at this time. These discussions are still in the infancy stage with the Delta MEC and, therefore, Delta Airlines management. I have been part of these meetings in the past, as have previous chairmen. Additionally, the XJT MEC has tasked me to form an alliance with the ALPA carriers flying in the United Express system. This group could be tasked by their respective MECs to work on a flow through agreement with the United MEC and United Airlines management. I am in the beginning stages of forming this alliance.
Was a bad idea at Northwest and will be an even worse idea now. Should Delta come by a windfall of pilots it'll drive down DALPAs negotiating capital. Management will say "Why would we have to buy pilots? We have xx thousand that just signed on the shiny dotted line to sit in the right seat of the MD-88 for 3 years"

Now isn't the time. I hope this is obvious to everyone who is looking forward to our "+40%" (Lol)
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Old 02-28-2012, 07:00 AM
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Reserve question that has been asked a million times. At what point are you considered done? I'm within 4h23m of alv.
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Old 02-28-2012, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Isn't that a result of inefficiency due to shrinkage? My Delta experience has not been particularly productive, with 4 full aircraft training courses in < 5 years as a result of repeated displacements. (figuring March bid will be another displacement)

If so, they need to penalize our management; since a Google search of "Delta Air Lines Growth" gets the same number of results as "French Military Victories."

... actually, Air France has scored flying from us ... so maybe this example is even worse a comparison than initially conceptualized.
Ha! Excellent point, and great Google comparison.

Tuesday reminder: The buckets need to change.

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Old 02-28-2012, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by NERD
Reserve question that has been asked a million times. At what point are you considered done? I'm within 4h23m of alv.

When you are within two hours of the ALV. You could be assigned a trip on your last on call day if it were DH only since credit it tallied at the end of the trip and would fall into next month.
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Old 02-28-2012, 07:27 AM
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Thanks. Guess I'm screwed then Sitting SC #5 with the highest raw of 4 pages of reserves by about 50 points. Betting I get #6 for tomorrow.


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When you are within two hours of the ALV. You could be assigned a trip on your last on call day if it were DH only since credit it tallied at the end of the trip and would fall into next month.
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Old 02-28-2012, 07:37 AM
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No, but you have guys on 12 year pay sitting in the left seat. Making the top rate at 70 hrs for months on end, effectively making 15K a month.
There may be 12 yr FDAL sitting in some left seat somewhere, but there are NO FNWA 12 yr sitting in a left seat and are no where near holding a left seat. Just sayin....
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Old 02-28-2012, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ExAF
There may be 12 yr FDAL sitting in some left seat somewhere, but there are NO FNWA 12 yr sitting in a left seat and are no where near holding a left seat. Just sayin....


12 year Pay, there are not 12 year FDAL guys sitting capt. But all capt are 12 year PAY. Just sayin.
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Old 02-28-2012, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
Was a bad idea at Northwest and will be an even worse idea now. Should Delta come by a windfall of pilots it'll drive down DALPAs negotiating capital. Management will say "Why would we have to buy pilots? We have xx thousand that just signed on the shiny dotted line to sit in the right seat of the MD-88 for 3 years"

Now isn't the time. I hope this is obvious to everyone who is looking forward to our "+40%" (Lol)
Why would it be a "windfall of pilots" when they could just hire them all anyway. There are thousands upon thousands of pilots who have way worse than we do here at Delta. I commute to sit reserve on the DC-9 & it's WAY better than both regionals I worked for. The right seat of the MD-88 sounds pretty good to me now.
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Old 02-28-2012, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Whidbey
I sure hope not. Should that even be a question?

It's interesting how folks are getting away with saying "I'm not willing to give up any scope!" like it's a bold or aggressive statement. A General puffing up his chest and shouting to his troops that "we're not going to surrender any more ground!" would rightly get snickers from the troops who realize the incongruity between the words he spoke and the effect with which they were delivered.

Sailing- have any of your reps stated that scope recapture is a top priority?

I'm not questioning the validity of the current negotiating strategy, just pointing out that I think some are getting away with trying to pass a weak position on scope off as a strong one by hoping we pay more attention to the boldness of delivery rather than he literal meaning of words spoken.
Excellent post!

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