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Old 02-27-2012, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
yeah except the guidance for the upcoming AE is displacements down to cover small jet stuff so they just keep kicking themselves with training because they keep underestimating who's going to bid what. Instead of hire to cover the bottom stuff they'd rather displace down and ripple the training cycles only to have to retrain guys going back up next year? these guys are doing it ass backwards...
Looking at the bigger picture for a second; You must ask yourself why with the new 12 month training freeze for new hires, they are opting to create a massive training event for a maybe 200 88 positions over the next few bids. My guess is Flt Ops wants too, RA say no! He knows we are going to be in acquisition of assets and or an acquisition of all or part of an airline that will either have overlap, or excess pilots due to work rule changes, and does not want to hire more pilots than he knows he will need. The training events downward are cheaper in the long term.

Furthermore, if we are the airline that buys Kelly's 717's it makes more sense to create a long and short program to the jet and have everyone propositioned on the 88.

Sucky, but reality. This is the only bid they can really do this with. Waiting until fall means that they will need to start working on 2013 and 2014 staffing were the WB flying will be a lot more even than we are seeing now.
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Old 02-27-2012, 12:48 PM
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nevermind...

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Old 02-27-2012, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Or Hawaiian......


Wait, we used to fly nonstop from MSP to HNL, but then dropped it, so obviously there aren't enough people in Minnesota or the upper Midwest that want to go to Hawaii. Nope, not enough.
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Old 02-27-2012, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by freightguy
Same here! If contract 2012 does not restore our pay, I'm out the door as well. In fact, I have some gigs short-listed already... each of them pays more than twice what I'm making now at Delta. There all a lot of opportunities out there. In fact, if the management wants to try furlough to scare us, I say BRING IT ON! In fact, I would be delighted. But I won't give a single concession on scope nor would settle for anything less than restoration of my 40% paycut.

That is exactly what a lot of the pilots telling me they are looking are saying. There are even some junior capts looking at bailing if this contract does not restore a lot of this career.
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Old 02-27-2012, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
Wait, we used to fly nonstop from MSP to HNL, but then dropped it, so obviously there aren't enough people in Minnesota or the upper Midwest that want to go to Hawaii. Nope, not enough.
Yeah, but there's lots of cargo.
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Old 02-27-2012, 12:57 PM
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
February 27, 2012
Contact: Les Dorr, Jr. or Alison Duquette
Phone: 2xx-xxx-xxxx

FAA Proposes to Raise Airline Pilot Qualification Standards

WASHINGTON – The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) today proposed to substantially raise the qualification requirements for first officers who fly for U.S. passenger and cargo airlines.

Consistent with a mandate in the Airline Safety and Federal Aviation Administration Extension Act of 2010, the proposed rule would require first officers – also known as co-pilots – to hold an Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate, requiring 1,500 hours of pilot flight time. Currently, first officers are required to have only a commercial pilot certificate, which requires 250 hours of flight time. The proposal also would require first officers to have an aircraft type rating, which involves additional training and testing specific to the airplanes they fly.

“Safety in all modes of transportation is our number-one priority,” said Secretary LaHood. “This proposed rule reflects our commitment to the safety of the traveling public by making sure our pilots are the most qualified and best trained in the world.”

“Our pilots need to have the right training and the right qualifications so they can be prepared to handle any situation they encounter in the cockpit,” said FAA Acting Administrator Michael Huerta. “I believe this proposed rule will ensure our nation’s pilots have the necessary skills and experience.”

Other highlights of the proposed rule include:

· A requirement for a pilot to have a minimum of 1,000 flight hours as a pilot in air carrier operations that require an ATP prior to serving as a captain for a U.S. airline.

· Enhanced training requirements for an ATP certificate, including 50 hours of multi-engine flight experience and completion of a new FAA-approved training program.

· An allowance for pilots with fewer than 1,500 hours of flight time, but who have an aviation degree or military pilot experience, to obtain a “restricted privileges” ATP certificate. These pilots could serve only as a first officer, not as a captain. Former military pilots with 750 hours of flight time would be able to apply for an ATP certificate with restricted privileges. Graduates of a four-year baccalaureate aviation degree program would be able to obtain an ATP with 1,000 hours of flight time, only if they also obtained a commercial pilot certificate and instrument rating from a pilot school affiliated with the university or college.

The proposal addresses recommendations from an Aviation Rulemaking Committee, the National Transportation Safety Board, and the FAA’s Call to Action to improve airline safety.

The proposed rule can be viewed at: Public Inspection Documents The public may comment on the proposal for 60 days after publication on February 29.
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Old 02-27-2012, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Yeah, but there's lots of cargo.

There were plenty of people, DAL did not like the fact that most of them were redemption flies and therefore the RASM was though the floor. Kind of crazy to me, but they are going after revenue and dumping cities like HNL for revenue. Upsets the frequent fliers that want to use their miles, but alas we will allow them to redeem their miles on HI.....
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Originally Posted by Jesse
Monday reminder: The Buckets need to be changed.



That is all.
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Old 02-27-2012, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
That is exactly what a lot of the pilots telling me they are looking are saying. There are even some junior capts looking at bailing if this contract does not restore a lot of this career.
Had a long talk with a friend at FedEx recently, don't want to suck it up for another first year or two of bad pay, but by the third look out.

BTW this is no longer a career, it's just a J-O-B. Sorry.
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Old 02-27-2012, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingSig
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
February 27, 2012
Contact: Les Dorr, Jr. or Alison Duquette
Phone: 2xx-xxx-xxxx

FAA Proposes to Raise Airline Pilot Qualification Standards

WASHINGTON – The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) today proposed to substantially raise the qualification requirements for first officers who fly for U.S. passenger and cargo airlines.

Consistent with a mandate in the Airline Safety and Federal Aviation Administration Extension Act of 2010, the proposed rule would require first officers – also known as co-pilots – to hold an Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate, requiring 1,500 hours of pilot flight time. Currently, first officers are required to have only a commercial pilot certificate, which requires 250 hours of flight time. The proposal also would require first officers to have an aircraft type rating, which involves additional training and testing specific to the airplanes they fly.

“Safety in all modes of transportation is our number-one priority,” said Secretary LaHood. “This proposed rule reflects our commitment to the safety of the traveling public by making sure our pilots are the most qualified and best trained in the world.”

“Our pilots need to have the right training and the right qualifications so they can be prepared to handle any situation they encounter in the cockpit,” said FAA Acting Administrator Michael Huerta. “I believe this proposed rule will ensure our nation’s pilots have the necessary skills and experience.”

Other highlights of the proposed rule include:

· A requirement for a pilot to have a minimum of 1,000 flight hours as a pilot in air carrier operations that require an ATP prior to serving as a captain for a U.S. airline.

· Enhanced training requirements for an ATP certificate, including 50 hours of multi-engine flight experience and completion of a new FAA-approved training program.

· An allowance for pilots with fewer than 1,500 hours of flight time, but who have an aviation degree or military pilot experience, to obtain a “restricted privileges” ATP certificate. These pilots could serve only as a first officer, not as a captain. Former military pilots with 750 hours of flight time would be able to apply for an ATP certificate with restricted privileges. Graduates of a four-year baccalaureate aviation degree program would be able to obtain an ATP with 1,000 hours of flight time, only if they also obtained a commercial pilot certificate and instrument rating from a pilot school affiliated with the university or college.

The proposal addresses recommendations from an Aviation Rulemaking Committee, the National Transportation Safety Board, and the FAA’s Call to Action to improve airline safety.

The proposed rule can be viewed at: Public Inspection Documents The public may comment on the proposal for 60 days after publication on February 29.
Looks exactly what I thought it would like.
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