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Old 02-27-2012, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
It means that we may have a need for those pilots in the near to mid term.

Might get rid of a lot of those FA's that commute......
No, it means we need the pilots now...

Cheaper easier to hire a new guy to fill a seat in a small jet later this year, than to displace off the big ones and have displacements ripple through the system.

This is a "hedge" to have bodies in the right place without cranking up the hiring machine, but there will be a price paid for that type of insurance...

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Old 02-27-2012, 12:09 PM
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Actually, we are too boring
Yeah, true, but chicks USED to dig us.
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Old 02-27-2012, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Yeah, true, but chicks USED to dig us.
How true...I was something back in 89 ...flyin' vipers, hanging out at Tommy Condon's, drinking kamikazes, I thought I owned the world.
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Old 02-27-2012, 12:11 PM
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Can someone clarify for me...I know there is a limit on the 70+ strs at dci, but 50 strs are unlimited?? As dal puts a 1st class in some 70 strs, does that drop them into the unlimited category, circumventing the intent of the scope language to cap larger rjs??
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Old 02-27-2012, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
How true...I was something back in 89 ...flyin' vipers, hanging out at Tommy Condon's, drinking kamikazes, I thought I owned the world.
Yeah, I owned CHS in the 80s as well. Tommy Condon's.....black and tans baby. The Windjammer out on Isle of Palms. Ahhhhh.....good times.
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Old 02-27-2012, 12:37 PM
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The early out won't be attractive to most of the very senior FA's. They all do 11 hour day turns, sleep at home every night, no luggage, spend nothing while at work, and take home 50k after taxes working one week a month at most. Full medical/ dental and passes. All holidays/ weekends off. 6 weeks of paid vacation per year and sick days. So it might be more accurate to say they work one week every two months. The ultimate part time job! Nobody would quit that. If the company was truly interested in culling the top of the FA list, they'd stop building 11 hour one day trips.
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Old 02-27-2012, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ITSALLGOOD
Can someone clarify for me...I know there is a limit on the 70+ strs at dci, but 50 strs are unlimited?? As dal puts a 1st class in some 70 strs, does that drop them into the unlimited category, circumventing the intent of the scope language to cap larger rjs??
Unlimited 50 seat jets.

No the 70 seater was certified at 70 seats and DAL put a FC in. It does not change the number at all.
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Old 02-27-2012, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
No, it means we need the pilots now...

Cheaper easier to hire a new guy to fill a seat in a small jet later this year, than to displace off the big ones and have displacements ripple through the system.

This is a "hedge" to have bodies in the right place without cranking up the hiring machine, but there will be a price paid for that type of insurance...

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yeah except the guidance for the upcoming AE is displacements down to cover small jet stuff so they just keep kicking themselves with training because they keep underestimating who's going to bid what. Instead of hire to cover the bottom stuff they'd rather displace down and ripple the training cycles only to have to retrain guys going back up next year? these guys are doing it ass backwards...
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Old 02-27-2012, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
No, it means we need the pilots now...

Cheaper easier to hire a new guy to fill a seat in a small jet later this year, than to displace off the big ones and have displacements ripple through the system.

This is a "hedge" to have bodies in the right place without cranking up the hiring machine, but there will be a price paid for that type of insurance...

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George,

Airlines never do it that way for many reasons. Biggest one is when the time comes that we do need that many pilots, they are in a "emergency" situation and one in which relief from the pilots will help.

They have already stated that they cannot hire the number needed in the peak years. Granted that is a decade away, but thinning the numbers out, or preemptive hiring makes the most sense.

There are not going to be a ton of qualified pilots out there when the time comes. We may be doing the Capt thing the way they do in Asia, with a 200 hr wonder kid next to us in a 700,000 lb jet!!
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Old 02-27-2012, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DAWGS
I know many here are watching all the hiring overseas. I've already told the wife, depending on this next contract, we may be moving in the next few years. I never would have thought I would consider leaving my country for a job elsewhere after being hired at Delta. The US aviation industry is going to be in a world of hurt soon if management, ATA and our government don't get a clue.
Same here! If contract 2012 does not restore our pay, I'm out the door as well. In fact, I have some gigs short-listed already... each of them pays more than twice what I'm making now at Delta. There all a lot of opportunities out there. In fact, if the management wants to try furlough to scare us, I say BRING IT ON! In fact, I would be delighted. But I won't give a single concession on scope nor would settle for anything less than restoration of my 40% paycut.
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