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Old 06-24-2009, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
What the union leadership should be very aware of is that its membership is very unhappy the way they have dealt with this issue. Part of that is lack of communication for whatever reason. As pilots that have opted to serve the membership, it is their job to change their perception and align their beliefs with that of the membership that has elected them. If it is one in the same it all can be dealt with, with some very good communication that has been in my opinion lacking.
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Old 06-24-2009, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by satchip
The condesention and the lack of information on the Scope issue though is maddening. It's engouh for me to start listening to Carl!


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Old 06-24-2009, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomcat
Word is we have a brand new TA with management regarding the Air France/KLM joint venture that will be presented to the MEC in July.

Interesting thought: Wouldn't this be a good time for a little Quid Pro Quo?

How about a little Section One Shuffle?

Say, bring the Compass pilots on property with the 36 EMB-175's and type, let the chips fall where they may. Need a TA for the JV, how about a little give and take for the little man?

Fire away!!!!!

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Speaking of Joint Ventures and making deals. Didn't NWA send a big group of furloughed guys to fly for KLM for a couple years during the 90s? Sorry, I saw that movie Conspiracy Theory the other day...
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Old 06-24-2009, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Carl, if you've really been around 30 years as you claim, you would see how silly the above statement is. LUV and UPS both have had substandard payrates for as long as I've been in the industry (20+ years). It is only after all of the majors went through bankruptcy that they suddenly look reasonably good.
They've had steady contract increases. We've had booms and busts. I think getting $300 per hour for a few years, followed by years of $170 per hour is stupid. Who can plan a family's future with that type of volatility. I think LUV and UPS have done a great job with their in-house unions. Clearly, you disagree.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
ALPA has its issues, with that I agree. But to imply that these guys had superior contracts because of their in house union is just flat wrong.
No such implication was made. My direct assertion is that a large union whose efforts and finances are TOTALLY devoted to what is good for the pilots of Delta Air Lines is why we should change to in-house. I assert that this would make our union represent the interests of its pilots - not "educate" pilots as to the opinions of the pilot's representatives. I also think that will produce superior contracts.

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Old 06-24-2009, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
The MEC wants to communicated to pilots the direction of the MEC, but you don't want to advertise any current or future bargaining positions to management.
You have perfectly (albeit accidentally) illustrated the probelm. The MEC should NOT need to communicate its direction. That direction should already be clear to the pilots - because the pilots should have GIVEN that direction. That's the definition of representation. That is not the case here. THAT's the problem.

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Old 06-24-2009, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
That is a long-winded dodge of the issue. The issue is: Do you think all Delta flying should be done by Delta pilots - or not?

I say yes. I say ANY other issue is #2. Any other answer besides yes requires a tortuous contortion of reason and logic. Your post is a prime example of such contortion.

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Before we see you leading the scope charge I'm just wondering how you voted on the POS that created Compass and saved your DB?
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Old 06-24-2009, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo

eh' never mind.

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Old 06-24-2009, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Hawaii50
Just wondering how you voted on the POS that created Compass?
Show me as a no vote on that contract. Over compass and the duration.
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Old 06-24-2009, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Hawaii50
Just wondering how you voted on the POS that created Compass?
I voted NO for 2 reasons:

1. Compass represented a threat to Scope
2. I thought the proposed cuts unfairly hit the bottom of our list

My opinion didn't win.

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Old 06-24-2009, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Hawaii50
Before we see you leading the scope charge I'm just wondering how you voted on the POS that created Compass and saved your DB?
I see you edited your post, so I'll have to respond again - the exact same way.

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