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Old 02-23-2012, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
I haven't heard anyone say anything about what changed to drive the decision to keep the 9's around another year. I'm obviously glad to see it, but has anyone heard if there was any particular change that drove the decision?
I have heard that they are not going to be able to get the 737-900 as fast as they had planed in 2013 and that they want to keep the DC-9 to span the gap.
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Old 02-23-2012, 05:54 PM
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You're gonna have to show me your math on this one. You said "and up from there proportionally", which to me would be the exact same crappy pay scales we have now albeit for more money. So... since there will be displacements from the biggest equipment to smaller equipment, there will be paycuts for those at the top of the list. Seems obvious to me, but perhaps I missed something.
Then make the 88, 320, 737 700 and 800 all the same rate. SWA plus 5% min.
7ER and 737 900 the same rate with intl override.
330 and 767 400 the same.
747 and 777.
Most of your displacements would be from 737 7 and 8 and 320 to the 88 so less pilots affected by pay on displacements.
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Old 02-23-2012, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
I haven't heard anyone say anything about what changed to drive the decision to keep the 9's around another year. I'm obviously glad to see it, but has anyone heard if there was any particular change that drove the decision?

I was told they are getting rid of 20 more RJs this year, hence the need to keep the DC9s around. What will replace them eventually? Hopefully not larger RJs flown by Comair. Maybe the C-Series flown by us?
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
I haven't heard anyone say anything about what changed to drive the decision to keep the 9's around another year. I'm obviously glad to see it, but has anyone heard if there was any particular change that drove the decision?
My guess is that they have no replacements in line right now. We need a 100 seater. It could mean that the 717 is not dead, but a little farther out, and or the C-Series needs to go in to production for DAL to commit. Either one of them or a combination of them may be the option, but to park all of the 9's would put that proverbial hole in our route network that we have been talking about. Ergo, they stay until a true replacement is in sight. The 90 will be used other places, and they know that.
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Express pilot
Then make the 88, 320, 737 700 and 800 all the same rate. SWA plus 5% min.
7ER and 737 900 the same rate with intl override.
330 and 767 400 the same.
747 and 777.
Most of your displacements would be from 737 7 and 8 and 320 to the 88 so less pilots affected by pay on displacements.
The 739 would have to come up a lot to be with the ER. The ER is an international jet that will be around up to 25 more years, and therefore lumped with the International jets, but your point is correct.
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
I haven't heard anyone say anything about what changed to drive the decision to keep the 9's around another year. I'm obviously glad to see it, but has anyone heard if there was any particular change that drove the decision?
That would be WN/DAL playing hardball...

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Old 02-23-2012, 06:59 PM
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Finally, some good rumors, speculation, talk about AEs, displacements, hiring, roadshow reports, etc....
MUCH better than wading through 15 pages of pointless arguing about whether or not we'll see the opener like we had to over the last several days... The DALPA/DPA arguments just totally deflate this thread. If we had a "bringing the thread dowwwwwnnnn Penalty Box" then T, Carl, gearjerk, and scambo would be in it for last week! Except Carl seemed to be pretty reasonable, he just never stops replying no matter how silly the other guy's post. And yes, I waded through it all hoping for the occasional nugget (like routes Virgin is adding and we're stopping etc.), and because like you all I'm strangely addicted to reading all this drivel. I just can't figure out why...
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Old 02-23-2012, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
My guess is that they have no replacements in line right now. We need a 100 seater. It could mean that the 717 is not dead, but a little farther out, and or the C-Series needs to go in to production for DAL to commit. Either one of them or a combination of them may be the option, but to park all of the 9's would put that proverbial hole in our route network that we have been talking about. Ergo, they stay until a true replacement is in sight. The 90 will be used other places, and they know that.
I'm nearly convinced management is kicking the can down the road until they are sure who will operate the 100 seat jets (configured for 86 seats at American?) We will see.

Although we are making money, management appears convinced (by their network decisions) that we are in counter trend rally.
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Old 02-23-2012, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
There's no money in cargo.
I love that quote:"There is no money in cargo"..Yet everybody is doing it.

kind of like the new line:
"The 787s arent impressive"...Yet everybody's lined up to buy them.

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Old 02-23-2012, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
The 739 would have to come up a lot to be with the ER. The ER is an international jet that will be around up to 25 more years, and therefore lumped with the International jets, but your point is correct.
2012 pay table
12 YR CAPT FO
ER 188.96 129.06
73-9 182.14 124.40

I wouldn't say it has to come up a whole lot.
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