Carl Spackler

Completely false and you know it. Why would you say such a thing? If our pensions had been terminated, it would have had no effect on MANAGEMENT'S decision to furlough.

We gave up money every month to pay for our furloughed guys' medical insurance. Then we gave up our entire Defined Contribution pension and gave it to the bottom half of the list to bolster their DC retirements. What's strange is that I know you already know this, but you libel anyway.

Not very "unifying" behavior there sparky.

Carl

Elliot

Thank you Carl, I'll take that as a compliment from you!



It's not a "moot point", because you have no facts to stand on that it won't be shared with the pilot group. There was communication stating "it wouldn't be shared with the pilot group, prior to submitting it to the company, but again, you have nothing to stand on stating it won't be shared at all. Sit back and watch Carl. Once the opener is shared, I'll be waiting for your apology.



You're not making any sense Carl, and I'm pretty sure I'm understanding your text. You're going to sit on this forum and when the TA comes out say, "D-ALPA did it's own thing instead of following the pilots will?" Really? With that assumption, you are then privy to the results of multiple polls the pilot group has taken? Or maybe, what I'm hearing from you, is if it's not up to your standards, or the standards that you always proclaim, without any factual basis that DPA can deliver, that you'll promote the fact that D-ALPA went "off the reservation". (Not intended to be a derogatory remark towards reservations, and/or Native Americans.)

Here's a possible scenario for you. Maybe the majority of the pilots at Delta, yes, all of those that don't post on this forum, did have something to say differently than the "all GREAT GOPHER HUNTER", and in fact, the TA reflects much of what the pilot group asked for. (There's a novel idea Carl. You not being the voice of majority in the 12,000 pilot group?)



I'm skeptical Carl, but we will see!!


Good day,

GJ

Superdad

I am pretty sure it has always been that way. If you get bumped by a dispatcher they will get you a positive space seat, just like if you are bumped by a LCA or fed.

Elliot

I agree Carl, to a certain extent. You guys keeping the bulk of your pensions wouldn't have altered MANAGEMENT'S decision to furlough. It might have affected the time-frame, or the multiple furloughs, but then again, we'll never know. I apologize for the "low blow". I'm a better person than that, and we're all in this together.................sort of. I still think with the vast amounts of group demographics this pilot group has, we need to be more unified than what we're showing.

You were called out by another NWA guy on this forum Carl! (If I recall correctly, his screen name was 330drvr?) I'm looking through your earlier posts now to quote his and your response. JUST SO YOU KNOW I'M BEING FACTUAL IN MY POSITION AND NOT EMOTION BASED!!

I'll show the same unification efforts that the DPA club is showing when they stand behind the same bargaining agent UNTIL AFTER section 6 negotiations are complete this time. When is that going to happen? (Hint: Not holding my breath.)

Fly safe,

GJ

Jughead

Mmmm...sort of.

Dispatchers completing required FAA training are ahead of pilots.
Dispatchers going to work are ahead of pilots returning from work.
Pilots are ahead of any dispatcher if he (the pilot) is going to work.
Pilots on personal travel are ahead of any dispatcher on personal travel.

Carl Spackler

Great questions.

Carl

Superpilot92

newKnow, aka the "STIG" as he's referred to in training, got his DC9 Pilot Hall of fame pic taken today. He was all prepped and ready for a sim session as you can see.

TANSTAAFL

Thought we were 4% overstaffed according to reports from other lounge visits?

Of course its part of the tried and true negotiating doom and gloom psyops: be overstaffed so you can do have lots of MD's to demoralize the troops and lower expectations.

georgetg

^^^THIS^^^

Max out the RJs
Max out the code-shares
Displace off the big jets
point to AA and tell us we're lucky.

All the while the Q1-Q4 reports shows a successful company...

Cheers
George

Elliot

Maybe D-ALPA isn't calling for a vote because they're too busy.....wait for it....wait for it....TOO FRICKEN BUSY PREPARING FOR YOUR SECTION 6 NEGOTIATIONS CARL!! Open your eyes. Nobody wants to waste their time switching bargaining agents this close to a negotiation period. It'd literally be "cutting our own throats".

You think D-ALPA would lose in a landslide? You don't have any other facts other than the 4,400 cards you proclaim, and I guarantee you that of those 4,400 that "expressed interest in DPA" wouldn't automatically vote the same in a true election of bargaining agents. Don't tell me you think they would Carl, come on!

FYP!


As is your opinions that DPA would have a "snowballs chance" doing the same or better against our management team than what D-ALPA has to offer. I believe the group has made some progress with management, OUTSIDE OF SECTION 6, all the while DPA is counting their cards, hoping to get to that magical, (or mythical ) number.

You say that the DPA members distrust of management is greater than their distrust of D-ALPA. Where is that Carl? Or is that just some highly opinionated rhetoric again? Come on? Quit talking out both sides of your mouth, and have DPA PUT THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS, and establish some communication to the pilot group stating these, what you call, FACTS. (Correction: You didn't call them facts, but I'm assuming since you put them on a forum, and your a man of facts, instead of highly opinionated rhetoric, that you'll direct me to where I can read this communication?)