Elliot

Good question Capn.

It is my opinion, we all have them, that the DPA push shows the company a "non-unified" pilot group. When a company, such as Delta Air Lines, is approached by the "current bargaining" agent, knowing they have a non-unified group behind them, they can more easily provide a contract/TA that will appeal to 50% + 1 of the pilot group.

Look, we have a 12,000 pilot list at Delta now. In that list there are multiple demographics. (i.e. old, young, some that want money, others that want scope, FTB never wants to leave the MD88/90, etc., etc.)

Adding the external variable of an "in-house" union drive when we're about ready to enter Section 6 negotiations, only adds to the lack of leverage and effectiveness we have as a group of professionals.

Thanks for the question........incoming from Carl's "smoke and mirror's soon".

GJ

newKnow

That is not attractive. I think I have to skip dinner tonight.

capncrunch

I'm not trying to be argumentative and I appreciate your candor and constructive criticism, with that in mind, here is another question. Wouldn't management's goal always be 50% + 1? In other words, why would management want to do anything more than the minimum even if we were "unified"?

Also, the whole "ununified" thing has me miffed as well. I see us as unified in that we all want a great contract, we just disagree about how to get there. Either way, it does not matter since DALPA will still be the one doing the negotiations. I guess I'm at a loss on the "ununified" thing.

capncrunch

You just need to button the three buttons.

tsquare

deleted.. I reiterated what GJ said..

Oh, and Cap'n.. you wasted the 90,000th post. 8)

capncrunch

So true. Should have put in a pic like Jesse's. That thing made me take a 15 min "bathroom" break.

Elliot

Yes, I believe that 50% + 1 from the pilot group is always a goal of Management. With that being said, I believe they can "reach that point" more easily with a group that doesn't have unity.

For example purposes, lets say that they see us as "non-unified" in the fight for DPA. Management then has their experts analyze the demographics, and/or priorities of the the "non-unified" group. (For easy math, lets use a number of 12000 pilots.)

All that management has to do is find the minimum %% pay raise for the group that most quickly totals 6000 pilots, and VOILA, they have the minimum required in the TA sent for MEMRAT to get a contract passed. (If they need the 50% + 1 pilot, they include in the TA that Forgot to Bid can remain on the 88/90 for his career.)

Using that same example, if we're a UNIFIED group, even though they can offer the minimum %% pay increase to possibly get the 6000 pilots on board, again, since we're UNIFIED, that 50% isn't going to vote for a TA in MEMRAT that has their minimum %% pay increase ONLY. They (unified group) are going to look at the entire package, and vote with what will be best for the entire pilot group and OUR PROFESSION.

Good day,

GJ

P.S. ALL CAPS not intended to be a disrespectful tone. Only the items in the context of the reply I see as most important.

Elliot

T.M.I, good sir, T.M.I.....

newKnow

It's never too late to change.

capncrunch

True. It was also a lie. I couldn't have been in there longer than 3 mins tops. :0