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Old 02-21-2012, 05:54 PM
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I'm in the school house now and the rumor is the 9 will stay until 2013 now and they will announce / decide on the 28th. And for all those that complain about the 88 they need to go do a penalty MD in the 9, then the 88 will look like the best thing you have ever laid eyes on.
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Old 02-21-2012, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Yes, in its entirety...and then we "generously" offer to "give back" some things. Like:

The "cancelled contracts" threat is a myth. The vast majority of those fake "penalties" are merely DL being forced to take over the payments. The same payments DL is paying over 100% in the first place.

50 seaters could be left alone to wither on the vine with a shrinking cap matched to current levels. Zero cost.

51-76 seater contracts are forbidden to be entered into or extended, and existing contracts forced to be cancelled at an agressive but controllable rate to allow transition to the DL pilot list. Using a B scale should be avoided, but used if there is no other way to get that flying back. Controllable cost.

We allow Skyteam and even Alaska and Hawaiian flying, but with strict limits. There is no reason why we should code with 2 BOS-SEA flights. Cut it down to one and if we need more we do one. LA-SEA is limited to 2 or 3 AS flights with 50 seats on each. Any more and we put our metal on it. The truly niche markets like Prudhoe Bay and Walla Walla can remain as is until total demand gets to above a fair, predetermined level. Controllable cost and actually significantly increased revenue assuming we can compete with AS as they are by no means some invincibile force that dominates an entire coast without contest.

Skyteam is fine as well, we just need a fair balance. 49.75 becomes 50.00 for AF/KLM/AZ and the balance period is for at least 6 months out of 12 each and every year including at least one peak summer month.

Every new Skyteam carrier will naturally come with promoses of network growth from management, so we make them quantify said growth and put it in writing.
These guys freaking about about "SWA contract in it's entirety" could have come up with something reasonable like this but instead they get into the literal semantics making themselves look like they are in the sixth grade unable to see any solution outside the box. It just gets silly and makes them look stupid. In the end they are so freaked out about losing the ALPA teet they suck from, they use lame arguments to try to dissuade. No real strategy to get our rates up, only excuses, expectation lowering and attacks. Sad really.
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Old 02-21-2012, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Too Tall
I'm in the school house now and the rumor is the 9 will stay until 2013 now and they will announce / decide on the 28th. And for all those that complain about the 88 they need to go do a penalty MD in the 9, then the 88 will look like the best thing you have ever laid eyes on.
That's a "good news / bad news" scenario. The good news is that they are staying and flying as our 130 seat jet until the 737-900's start to arrive.

The bad news is that our DC9 pilots are needed in position and will not be available to staff the MD88's. The MD90 arrivals will be staffed with a waterfall of displacements from the 747 / 777, 767, 737 & 320. Need 40 Captains / 20 FO's right away. Will eventually displace 200 pilots to staff the MD88 openings.

Any news on an Atlanta DC9 base? They were talking that MSP's pilots were needed in Atlanta. (Kinda makes me think about bidding the DC9 MSP and enjoying the credit time deadheading to my home town ... as well as being an ATL livin' green slip golden bouy.)
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Old 02-21-2012, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesse
Superpilot, you read my mind. But since I did my homework I'm still going to turn it in.

Dude, you rock. I'm proud to be an associate.
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Old 02-21-2012, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
That's a "good news / bad news" scenario. The good news is that they are staying and flying as our 130 seat jet until the 737-900's start to arrive.

The bad news is that our DC9 pilots are needed in position and will not be available to staff the MD88's. The MD90 arrivals will be staffed with a waterfall of displacements from the 747 / 777, 767, 737 & 320. Need 40 Captains / 20 FO's right away. Will eventually displace 200 pilots to staff the MD88 openings.

Any news on an Atlanta DC9 base? They were talking that MSP's pilots were needed in Atlanta. (Kinda makes me think about bidding the DC9 MSP and enjoying the credit time deadheading to my home town ... as well as being an ATL livin' green slip golden bouy.)
I haven't heard anything in the school house about ATL yet, but I will keep my ears open, and will share with everyone if I do.
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Old 02-21-2012, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Schwanker
Spent a few days in Chengdu last summer. Had a blast. Had a descent Hooters which served Jack by the bottle... Not the shopping Mecca of Beijing.

Real progressive city with some good night life. Looks like a Nevada casino town with all the lights. New construction everywhere.

Very busy airport, almost all A320/737 or larger. Don't recall seeing anything smaller. KLM had a 744 in there. Lots of WBs.
Went to Chengdu once for a trade show. This city is known for its spicy food. Most of the local Chinese food is make you sweat hot. Nice city overall and only a couple hours by air from Shanghai.
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Old 02-21-2012, 06:57 PM
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Is it just me or has this website been blanking out for long stretches a lot lately?

BTW Jesse, spot on post, very L&G appropriate.
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Old 02-21-2012, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by chuck416
Hi Guys,
I have a Q about reserve....I got in off a 3-day trip, and blocked in at 00:43, just past midnight, which would have put me off duty at 00:58, two minutes shy of 01:00, on an XX day-off. Am I due an extra day off, as this rotation had me "on the clock" on one of my XX days? Much thanks!
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Chuck,

Had something similar happen a while ago. Answer is "no" you don't get an entire day paid-back to you.

The schedulers will do something lame (contractually legal) like giving you an extra hour or so "off" on your next reserve day. So instead of being available for reserve at midnight you won't be available for reserve until 0100 (or 0200, or something). I forget the specifics but it's not much of a good deal for payback since you were flown into an X day.

Hope this helps. Ain't reserve a blast?

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Old 02-21-2012, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
http://investing.businessweek.com/re...&formType=10-K

I do not suspect any manipulation what so ever.

Kindly don't take this personally (just got back from a Board meeting at our Church). It is amazing how some people (particularly those who don't itemize tax returns) think anyone with any money is up to shenanigans through the black art of third grade level math.
No worries, no offense taken. While a good portion of that 10K is over my head, I did see the 21% number is limited to DCI only. I am not saying that manipulation of the numbers is occurring, but I see how the numbers could be very easily massaged if it would help managements position going into negotiations. I think that management and the number crunchers do a good job insuring the best results for the company, but those may not align with what is best for our pilot group.
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Dude, you rock. I'm proud to be an associate.

Originally Posted by scambo1
Is it just me or has this website been blanking out for long stretches a lot lately?

BTW Jesse, spot on post, very L&G appropriate.

Thanks....it's not easy these days!

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