Whidbey

I tend to agree with you. I'm just making a point that there is something to be said for the bird in the hand, and right now and for the forseeable future, they will have better compensation elsewhere.

I still think their decisions should at a minimum spur us to take an honest account of the value of a career at Delta as compared to other options.

I'm betting on Delta in the long haul... But that's the problem. This career shouldn't be one huge bet.

Carl Spackler

I have to admit that this post really p****d me off. But I hope you keep sending these every once in a while. It's good for you to illustrate to us just how bad this outsourcing is getting.

Carl

acl65pilot

World just furloughed 25 and their holding company is in CH11.

I would not use World as an example as to where to bail to. A few foreign carriers that have growth for the next decade, or FDX and possibly SWA. FDX and SWA have their own issues coming; FDX with unmanned drones carrying cargo(yes its coming) and cabotage, and SWA with the fact that they are at the top and no one is jumping over them, yet.

Oh and apparently ATL and MIA are on the short list of American cities that EK will be flying to. Wonder how our DXB flights will fare once that happens.

Carl Spackler

That's correct. NWALPA did indeed negotiate this. I think it was an attempt to do the right thing. After we'd failed time and time again to reverse our outsourcing at NWA, we went with the Compass experiment which allowed direct flow through to NWA mainline. My opinion is that it was a noble attempt at bringing all flying back in house.

DALPA had a significantly different opinion of what we were doing however, and scuttled the deal. How's that working out for us now shiznit? I'll wait while you call DALPA to get the response they want you to state.

Carl

il0101

Does anyone know how the buddy passes are prioritized at the gate? If I issue a pass it goes by my hire date, but what if my buddy is sitting at the gate with a buddy pass rider issued from a regional and they had a hire date earlier then my DL hire date? Does the regional buddy pass go ahead of mine?

Carl Spackler

Really? Air France/KLM is ordering 30 773's?

Carl

Carl Spackler

Total BS. Compass created an attempt to bring flying back in house (at NWA) and make Compass pilots NWA seniority list pilots in short order. DALPA scuttled that deal. Why? Who knows, but it's just more continuation of what looks like a strategy that says: "RJ's are good for Delta."

Carl

Scoop

T,

I am not quite sure about that. Of all the guys I know that left, only one even ponders if he should have stayed at DAL. The others don't even look back.

DAL is still one of the better airlines to work. We have a pretty good opportunity for some substantial gains and changing employers is like changing lanes in a traffic jam - what looked so promising can turn sour very fast.

All of that said, I think the important point is that people are in fact leaving DAL. This was totally unheard of prior to 911. This is no longer the DAL of old.

Scoop

PS - Totally agree with your "Anus" of the earth comment. With very few exceptions (Like you need 100K for Vito the loan-shark ASAP ) , life is too short to spend part of it in that region.

Carl Spackler

No way man, get back here!

We've got some here postulating that Volaris is SWA management's attempt at reducing costs through outsourcing. And that this Volaris deal to MEX is just the first opening of the door. What are you hearing?

Carl

flyawAAy

[QUOTE=acl65pilot;1134599]
-7900 a month income w/flight pay:tax free
-3900 housing allowance
-About a 1000 dollar a month education allowance.
-All utilities except internet paid for
-about 2000 a month in profit sharing
-42 days of vacation a year
-Annual leave PS ticket for you and your family anywhere EK flies
-15% in to a retirement fund.

That equates to 14800 a month all tax free.


Tax free only if you are physically on foreign soil for at least 330 days of the year....42 days of vacation, what a deal. One second under the 330 days - no Foreign Earned Income Exclusion.

Foreign Earned Income Exclusion - Physical Presence Test

330 Full Days

Generally, to meet the physical presence test, you must be physically present in a foreign country or countries for at least 330 full days during the 12-month period. You can count days you spent abroad for any reason. You do not have to be in a foreign country only for employment purposes. You can be on vacation time.

You do not meet the physical presence test if illness, family problems, a vacation, or your employer's orders cause you to be present for less than the required amount of time. Also, if you are present in a foreign country in violation of U.S. law, you will not be treated as physically present in a foreign country while you were in violation of the law. Income that you earn from source within such a country for services performed during a period of violation does not qualify as foreign earned income.

However, the minimum time requirement can be waived if you must leave a foreign country because of war, civil unrest, or similar adverse conditions in that country. You must be able to show that you reasonably could have expected to meet the minimum time requirements if not for the adverse conditions, and that you had a tax home in the foreign country and were a bona fide resident of, or physically present in, the foreign country on or before the beginning date of the waiver.

Full Day

A full day is a period of 24 consecutive hours, beginning at midnight. You must spend each of the 330 full days in a foreign country. When you leave the United States to go directly to a foreign country or when you return directly to the United States from a foreign country, the time you spend on or over international waters does not count toward the 330-day total.